Both statements contain a kernel of truth, but both can be taken to distorted and illogical conclusions.
Native Americans do not have the thousands of years of experience in brewing and drinking alcohol that our counterparts of other races do. As such, most of us will readily admit that we cannot consume alcohol in the same quantities as our white brothers without severe consequences which you see on reservations where alcohol is a primary driver of poverty, spousal abuse and broken families.
Those of us who stay sober manage to do so with a variety of techniques. Some of us choose to give up alcohol completely, a path I eventually chose, as have many others. Still others choose to limit themselves to three beers or one small glass of hard liquor over a certain time period or only for certain occasions. Some of the more responsible reservation leaders make it difficult, inconvenient or even downright illegal to sell alcohol on reservations.
But none that I know of, save the most corrupt tribal leaders and hardcore Democrats (but I repeat myself) proclaim "accept us as a bunch of drunkards and winos and just keep giving us money to reinforce the habit."
Contrast this situation to the gay mafia. Whether through nature or nurture, I will not argue, but I will admit that some people are predisposed to homosexuality.
Like alcohol, if consumed in moderation, it can be relatively harmless or even relaxing to those so inclined. Some people can limit themselves to staring, touching or pornography. Many cannot and would be wise to chose the path of total abstinence or celibacy before it grows into a full-blown destructive addiction which, like alcoholism, will eventually kill.
The sewer pipe from Hollywood and the gay culture, however, takes the position that nobody but idiots would take with Native Americans and alcohol. They demand that society accept the most extreme forms of homosexuality, avoid even counseling much less legislating limits and that taxpayers pick up the tab for enabling it in its most destructive forms.
Speaking of FAKEs, I always thought it was hilarious that that the muslim word for magical religious wonder-maker is FAKIR.
And we call Hussein’s incoherent babbling “nuances”.
Outstanding post. Thank you.
I agreed with you up to that point. Practicing homosexuality "in moderation" is like playing with a loaded gun or driving as close to the edge of the cliff as you can without falling over. If you're predisposed to alcoholism, stay away from booze. If you're predisposed to homosexuality, stay away from it completely and seek help.
“I view the “homosexuals were born that way” argument as akin to the argument that “Native Americans are predisposed to alcoholism.”
Both statements contain a kernel of truth, but both can be taken to distorted and illogical conclusions.”
Anecdotal evidence follows, which can be taken any way you wish.
This morning, as usual, I stopped in the local Dunkin’ Donuts for coffee.
In line ahead was an obviously gay male. His orientation was far MORE than just “obvious” — mannerisms, voice, hair, he even had bare feet with painted toenails in flip-flops. This guy was on fire - a real FLAMER, as they say. There is no way anyone of any sexual persuasion could overlook or mistake that.
And as obvious was his orientation, it was also clear that this guy could never have previously been a “normal, heterosexual” man who at some point freely decided he was going to stop being hetero to become who he is now.
He is what he is, from his beginning. For him to have “changed” into who he is makes as much sense as a male making a conscious decision to stop being a male and become a female. Which is to say, to believe that makes no rational sense at all.
Like John Prine’s refrain in “Dear Abby” (thanks to freedomlover who posted the “noisemaker” verse in post #20), “you are what you are, and you ain’t what you ain’t”.