Posted on 04/16/2012 4:16:18 AM PDT by expat1000
LOL! THAT'S gonna leave a mark, unless perhaps you're an idiot on DU milk cartons across the nation!
Hear, Hear!
Zimmerman is a political prisoner!
Orwell must be spinning!
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You wouldn’t recognize a hero if one walked up to, introduced himself, and kicked you in the nuts.
Love those posters “Vet”!
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Bless you & thank you
“Do NWVs have the right to question strange people walking through their (the NWVs) neighborhoods? I’m not a lawyer, but I would think not.”
I’m not trying to call you out specifically, but your statement concerns me! What’s wrong with you people?
A citizen darn well has the right to question strange people walking through their neighborhood, and following them to see what they’re up to, and shooting them dead if they attack them (if the attack, which I am not certain of), or shooting them dead if their life is in jeopardy.
Zimmerman had the right to follow, to ignore the dispatchers suggestion or request, to question Trayvon (if he did). He did not have the right to restrain without clear evidence of criminal activity - and there has been nothing presented that would indicate that he tried to restrain Trayvon.
All the howling about him “disobeying a direct order”, following Trayvon and whatall is pure poppycock. Even the question of whether or not Don’t Back Down is applicable here is used horse fodder. Self defense is the question. If it can be shown that there was a reasonable possibility that Zimmerman legitimately feared for his life, then the law says he must be acquitted - provided that it cannot be shown that he did something illegal to cause the attack.
This means that Zimmerman should be acquitted if he did not illegally provoke the attack even if he did any of the following:
Followed Trayvon
Ignored the directions of the dispatcher
Questioned Trayvon
Told Trayvon to get off the street
Told Trayvon that he had called the police
Accused Trayvon of being a punk and a thief
IF - and the evidence we have indicates this occurred - Trayvon was beating Zimmerman’s head on the sidewalk, then the shooting was justifiable self-defense.
Using his weapon was not a case of stupidly getting into a situation he had to shoot his way out of - it was a case of taking intelligent (and as it appears to have turned out) necessary precaution and protection with him in case he came across someone intent on doing the neighborhood harm and willing to do Zimmerman harm if thwarted in his original purpose. Apparently Zimmerman had sufficient training to leave the scene alive and his alleged assailant dead - which is, after all, the entire purpose of carrying a handgun in that situation in the first place (or should be). Any other purpose would be illegitimate and/or stupid.
From all indications, someone got himself well in over his head...but it wasn’t Zimmerman.
We don’t know what Zimmerman said to Martin. But if you’re out walking close to your home, do as many people as want to have the right to walk up to you and question what you’re doing? Or do you have the right to walk close to your neightborhood without being accosted by other people? Again, we don’t know if Zimmerman said anything to Martin. And whatever he might have said wouldn’t justify Martin attacking him and threatening to kill him if that’s what happened. Again, we have to wait for the evidence to emerge.
You are one of the freepers to whom I sent a copy of HONOR, the screenplay I wrote about the Haditha Marines. I was asked to write it because of my experience with the military. The final scene was used by the Haditha Marines website.
Of all the Freepers who saw the script you were the only one who never even acknowledged receiving it. That was utterly classless but I half expected it.
You also said you were writing a novel...how's it going?
So, I will repeat it here --- you are classless.
First - Martin was not walking close to his home, he was a stranger in the neighborhood and was walking close to his father’s girlfriend’s home.
But - in answer to your question, a person can question anybody’s purpose in any public space at any time if they want to. Repeated questioning could give rise to a request for an injuction - but to question a strange person’s purpose in a gated community that has had frequent robberies in the recent past - seems perfectly normal to me.
BTW - any time I am in a strange neighborhood (particularly, though not necessarily a gated one) and a resident questions my purpose, I respond politely - because I respect their concern for their neighborhood, and recognize that I am the unknown “intruder” in their environ. Such are the actions of peaceful citizens in a peaceful society.
I saw a map that proported to show the path Trayvon took, if it is accurate, it is no wonder Zimmerman was suspicious. If I am a stranger in a neighborhood and I am wandering off of the main road, onto sidewalks and pathways between houses or apartments, I am perfectly prepared for someone to inquire about my business there. I am also not surprised if I notice someone watching my actions closely. AND should I notice such an observer, I take myself quickly and directly to my destination.
Traaon Martin was behaving suspiciously, there may have been good, innocent reasons he was doing so - I am not inferring any motive to his actions, good or bad. But Zimmerman’s known actions were those of a reasonable man in the situation: Recent robberies, NWV, suspicious behavior.
These known actions are:
Identifying Martin’s actions as suspicious
Calling 911 to report the suspicious activity
Keeping an eye on the suspicious stranger
Trying to determine where said stranger went, when he disappeared from view
-GAP IN KNOWLEDGE-
IF the reports of him having his head slammed against the concrete are true, and the evidence seems to support that claim, then it was reasonable to use deadly force at that point.
If there is no more evidence than what is current public knowledge, a jury cannot follow the laws of evidence, presumed innocence and reasonable doubt and not acquit Zimmerman.
For a conviction, there must be:
New evidence of which the public is not aware at this time
Incompetent defense
Improper or incomplete intruction to the jury
Incompetent or unconstrained jury
Under Florida SYG, immunity not acquittal.
Now that prosecutors have brought charges against George Zimmerman, you probably think that a jury is going to hear the facts and decide the case. Think again. Under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, if George Zimmerman can convince a judge that he acted justifiably, he is entitled to immunity from prosecution. That means no jury; no conviction; no jail. Think of it as a big “Get Out of Jail Free” card. It is worth repeating: Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law does not just provide an affirmative defense; it provides immunity. The distinction is extremely significant
He was probably just too polite to tell you that parts of the screenplay were not from "legitimate, reliable sources"...
That ilk cannot comprehend how hard it is to acknowledge receiving something that you didn’t receive. ... And if I actually received it, it was less than memorable to my old brain, obviously.
Sorry sparky...the screenplay was written with the active cooperation of Marines who were there that day andde-classified official documents. BTW...what have you done with your life?
NOYFB, twerp.
Notice its tagline ... living down to its expected level.
So? As you have shown us, one "perceived flaw" causes the whole work to fail, and become illegitimate and unreliable.
I'm sure many could pick out "flaws" in your little hobby piece.
You’re right. My statement was presuming a trial, but there are many things that may happen prior to trial - SYG immunity still being one of them.
LOL! BTW, it sure got offended by your supposed "slight", didn't it?
I'll have to read your "America, We Need To Talk" @ http://porchmaunderings.blogspot.com/
You were polite enough not to go off on me for not knowing it was on The Porch. Thanks.
As I thought...nothing to talk about. and, my hobby, as you call it, earned me enough to retire at fifty...how are you doing?
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