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Posted on 04/16/2012 4:16:18 AM PDT by expat1000
I agree that we do not have all the facts and I do not think that he should have been charges....but we do know that this would not have happened at all if he had not gottenbin over his head. An untrained dope with a gun who follows a “suspiscous” person is just asking for trouble...and regardless of how it started zimmerman found it.
>>expat1000, will you please add me to the Sultan Knish/Daniel Greenfield ping list?
I will be happy to, and I agree with the comments about Greenfield.
He has helped me so much in understanding the world we live in and his skills as a writer and commentator continue to improve.
I'm willing to bet both Zimmerman and I have more firearms and deadly-force defense training than you.
It's suspicious to be a black youth wandering around in the rain. There, I said it. Black youths KILL. It's a fact. Zimmerman was right to call it in.
I didn’t say hero. I didn’t lionize.
When there is crime and the cops cant stop it, the people have to.
When you have to do it yourself, you better be able to defend yourself if things do get out of hand.
When my wife hears something outside, I inspect and I am armed. If I get my ass in a situation my fists cant solve, somebody might get shot.
Otherwise I might die...or I could just stay in the house and type.
Could have fooled me. Seems like you've been yelling for his scalp since day 1.
Very good quote, smart man. I prefer “Peace is not the absence of war, peace is the absence of threat.”
I'm not saying that Zimmerman didn't get well in over his head. But I'm also not saying he did. You bring up an interesting question(s): how well trained are the NWVs, what are their rights and obligations regarding their jobs? If you agree that NWVs should be allowed to carry firearms to protect themselves, then you can't say anything yet about whether Zimmerman outstepped his duties or he was merely doing his job and almost became a victim. Do NWVs have the right to question strange people walking through their (the NWVs) neighborhoods? I'm not a lawyer, but I would think not. If Zimmerman did that, he is at least party culpable for the situation he found himself in.
But did he say anything to Martin? We still don't know that. If he's a NWV, Zimmerman would have been negligent in his duties if he didn't try to see what a stranger like Martin was doing in his neighborhood...which had a series a recent burglaries. But that't the problem...we still don't have all the facts. Let's not call Zimmerman a dope who got in over his head until we know more.
bttt
Not sure why Neighborhood Watch people should be expected to be prepared for The Invasion of The Experienced Street Boxer With Gangsta Thug Attitude.
Maybe Tray-Tray mistook George Zimmerman for a bus driver...
Come to think of it, wonder if little Trayvon's bus driver punching bag was Hispanic? Hmmmmmmm....
Some people have a clue, and some people don't... :-)
LOL! This is Florida. The peasants are ALLOWED to have guns in Florida.
We get it. You're from New York, where guns are Big and Scary, and King Bloomy tells the little people how to think about "evil guns" from behind his screen of machine-gun-toting Praetorians.
George Zimmerman got jumped by an experienced street boxer who waited till Zimmerman got off the phone, so there wouldn't be any prying ears listening.
I always have high expectations from Daniel Greenfield that he will capture the situation in a way that makes me so upset that I can barely stand it. Excellent column - thanks for beating me to the punch to post it.
You are so right about Greenfield - I never miss his columns as I know I am going to learn something indispensable.
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Show one legitimate source for any of this and we'll talk.
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Then I suggest you take some remedial reading courses. I have never said he should be charged or convicted. The reason is that we don't know what happened...which is exactly why all the trayvon turned, stalked, attacked and tried to kill zimmerman posts are pure fantasy.
(You'd be wrong). It's suspicious to be a black youth wandering around in the rain. There, I said it. Black youths KILL. It's a fact.
(You do realize, don't you, that you little bit of self-exposure does nothing but justify all the paranoia from the sharptons, jacksons and NBPPs....)
But, honestly, would you be ok with an armed, untrained neighbor from four blocks over walking through your backyard at night following somebody? I wouldn't.
btw...zimmerman’s Watch group was not officially recognized by the Sheriff’s department and they were (according to early reports) not provided training.
It's all at Wagist.com
Ironically, it's a freaking PROGRESSIVE website. Apparently, the memos about the Trayvon Narrative never made it there.
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