Posted on 09/21/2009 7:57:27 PM PDT by arkadyka
Here is a short clip of Glenn Beck in his usual quirky and odd fashion telling Katie Couric that McCain would have been worse for the country than Obama. I have actually said this and maybe even written it as soon as Obama got elected. On it's face, a progressive hardcore leftist like Obama is dangerous especially in conjunction with the likes of Pelosi and Reid. However, McCain would have been very dangerous for the same reason Bush was dangerous to the right. To truly appreciate what I think Beck is trying to say hinges on the understanding of America's propensity to label incorrectly and make brash conclusions. Americans do not seem to understand that 'Republican' is just a political label and the ideology differs dramatically within the party. Some Republicans are actually more liberal than Democrats on issues that truly matter.
Bush expanded government faster than Clinton ever did, spent like a drunken sailor and brushed aside conservative/libertarian ideals as if they no longer mattered. He felt his compassionate conservatism was the movement that people wanted, but the people rejected this movement meanwhile not understanding that the very thing they were rejecting -- was liberalism. McCain would have further exacerbated this tragic misunderstanding and would have driven the GOP so far into the ground that come 2012 we would have candidates making Obama look like a moderate. That aside, what we are experiencing now is extremely scary - a liberal tsunami is washing over our country. Between the Stimulus, Cap and Trade, Health Reform, racial overtones, ACORN/NEA scandals, GM takeover, foreign debacles and defense cuts there is a constant sense of pressure, something we would not experience with McCain. Yet it's this very same complacency that allowed Bush to sneak his liberalism under the guise of conservatism which ultimately resulted in Obama.
See #79
Bad Democrats? Bad Republicans? Really? LOL
There are bad apples across the political spectrum. I’m a life long conservative. In my book Republicans have been far better choices then any Democrat. Never voted for a Democrat or a liberal and have no intention of doing so. I have voted for the lesser of two evils. That has gotten tiresome.
But you've done the right thing. Less evil is better than more evil.
So you don't see the problem the past few years when republicans turned the whole country democrat, each year getting worse, because republicans destroy capitalism and freedom by lying and saying they stand for them?? You think up till Nov 2008 everything was going great???
You can go door to door saying "Vote for my guy, I know he sucks"??
Back before you ever joined FR there was a small group of FReepers -— sometimes it felt like a group of one -— who had the cojones to stand up and speak out against the liberal domestic spending habits of Bush and the GOP Congress. We took some serious heat for attacking Bush and the Republicans for abandoning conservatism. We also warned the FR Bushie Brigade, led by the Harpies, that if Dubya and the GOP continued down that road 2006 and 2008 would be a bloodbath. Next time, do some research, it might save you from embarrassment.
It still doesn't change the fact that the 2008 alternative to McCain-Palin, was not an option for conservatives.
Btw, who did you vote for in the 2008 GOP primaries and later in the general election?
“With a shift of just 3.6% of the vote away from Obama, the political environment in America would not be controlled by 60’s liberal radicals and sicko socialists.”
No but congress would be. And with “Republicans” still “in charge” (the public views the POTUS as in charge, half the voters didn’t know the democrats won congress in 2006) McCain would do many things wrong being a loser RINO and get the blame for any continued or worsened crapiness in the economy or overseas conflicts. And democrats would have been almost certain to make more gains in 2010 which a is crucial pre-redistricting election.
We may have gained more for the future by McCain losing. Or possibly not. Time will tell. It depends on whether Obama loses and how much damage he does.
Imagine if Nixon had lost in 1972. McGovern would have been awful (Carter 4 years early) but instead of being a terrible midterm election 1974 could have seen Republicans win congress for the first time in 20 years, they were close after the 1972 election. And his butt would have been beaten in 1976, probably by Reagan, 4 years early.
I know it’s hard to think in such terms.
You respect a false prophet because he throws you some bones you like. I cannot respect that.
He also takes full credit for others' work. I cannot respect that.
Beck is all about himself, not the conservative movement. I cannot respect that.
He says that McCain would have been worse than Obama and Hillary. That is incoherent logic and lacking in common sense political reality. I cannot respect that.
Follow the false prophet at your own risk. The Obama drones do the same as the Beck followers are now doing. Beck drones will someday be bit. I cannot respect that.
This is absolute falsehood -- are you deliberately spreading or simply unknowing of the facts?
Ok.
Another falsehood, Glenn is not any kind of Republican. Again I have to ask, do you do this deliberately? I smell an agenda with your posts.
Bush did enough damage to the right with his *compassionate conservatism*, if McCain had won, he would have destroyed any hope of those principles and ideological beliefs being prominent and promoted. To believe otherwise is to continue to wear the party-blinders.
Not really. I have a good imagination, but I keep it in check and under control. Especially when it comes to politics. Living in a delusional fantasy-land is not an option and playing the what-if game is frankly, a waste of time. Reality plays best.
It would be great to have the optimum set of circumstances. A "Conservative Party" with a solid conservative in the WH and a majority of conservatives running Congress. Short of that, half a loaf is okay. Even a quarter loaf with Palin in the co-pilot seat, is far better then what we have today.
Today, Obama is in the process of ruining America and there are people on this forum who say McCain-Palin would have been worse than Obama-Biden. I want no part of such nonsense.
The next political test will be in 2010. But its 2012 that I'm waiting for. I want to see if Republicans will finally get around to nominating Romney or maybe Giuliani. Two lifelong liberals. That I will also have no part of.
WTF ??? WTFU!!! LOL
Your prescription is one for republican devolution meaning if republicans always win no matter what as you desire, they will always get worse. You could see it from 1995 to 2006.
RE :”..who had the cojones to stand up and speak out against the liberal domestic spending habits of Bush and the GOP Congress. “
You actually think republicans would have won elections by building roads and bridges in Iraq but telling the voter “Sorry, no pork for you” ?? You are clueless, turn off talk radio and think for yourself.
RE :”We also warned the FR Bushie Brigade..”
LOL, I warned here that republicans would be slaughtered if Bush stayed in office after 2006 AND that after a huge democrat win in 2008 there would be a backlash against democrats and....guess what?? Your warnings were dumb. Rove advised Handouts got Bush re-elected in 2004 but by late 2006 when it all backfired nothing could safe Bush or republicans if Bush stayed in. Pay now or pay more later.
Again, WTF are you talking about? That makes no sense whatsoever. Try again.
>>>>>You actually think republicans would have won elections by building roads and bridges in Iraq but telling the voter “Sorry, no pork for you” ?? You are clueless, turn off talk radio and think for yourself.
So, you like Bush`s liberal spending. Is that what your saying? If it is, you're no better than Bush.
>>>>>LOL, I warned here that republicans would be slaughtered if Bush stayed in office after 2006 AND that after a huge democrat win in 2008 there would be a backlash against democrats and....guess what?? Your warnings were dumb. Rove advised Handouts got Bush re-elected in 2004 but by late 2006 when it all backfired nothing could safe Bush or republicans if Bush stayed in. Pay now or pay more later.
So, what are you saying now? You expected Bush to resign from office in 2006? Talk about dumb. Just what is your agenda? You don't sound like a conservative. You sound like an angry militant. Mad at the world! A real mad hatter! LOL
RM reply :”So, you like Bush`s liberal spending. Is that what your saying? If it is, you're no better than Bush.”
Where the hell in that quote do I say I LIKE anything Bush did. Stop listening to talk radio, it is deleting your brain cells. I said that Bush won re-election because of a Rove plan of strategic election based social spending, and I said that your suggestion that if GWB social spend in Iraq but not America would win 2004 election or any election is silly. I didnt say I LIKE any of this. Where the hell did I say I like anything Bush did (except Alito and Roberts) ?? He screwed everything else up.
I think you're the one that listens to talk radio too much. Liberal talk radio!
RE :”You’re loony!!
I think you’re the one that listens to talk radio too much. Liberal talk radio!”
That’s Levin strategy. If you are caught(as Mark is caught wrong many times) , turn off the mike and insult. Like Hannity, he sold his soul to RNC, and you too.
I hope all real conservatives can now see the true nature of Glenn Beck now. He is the enemy inside the gates.
So which third party loser to you two vote for? Or did you vote for The ONE Himself?
That’s odd. Just the other day, I was told by another Freeper that Mr. Robinson did not vote for McCain.
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