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Mississippi Flag, a Rebel Holdout, Is in a New Fight
The New York Times ^ | November 7, 2915 | CAMPBELL ROBERTSON

Posted on 11/08/2015 9:36:32 AM PST by yoe

LOUISVILLE, Miss. — In single strokes after the massacre of nine black churchgoers in Charleston in June, Confederate battle flags were taken from statehouse grounds in South Carolina and Alabama, pulled from shelves at major retailers like Walmart and declared unwelcome, if to (limited effect), at Nascar races.

What happened so swiftly elsewhere is not so simple in Mississippi. The Confederate battle flag is not simply flying in one hotly disputed spot at the State Capitol but occupying the upper left corner of the state flag, which has been flying since 1894. (And as recently as 2001), Mississippians voted by a nearly two-to-one ratio to keep it. Recent ( polling) suggests the majority have not changed their minds.

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To: cowboyway

You guys are funny.


381 posted on 12/01/2015 1:34:33 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: x
Most people in America probably aren't thinking about what happened 150 years ago all the time.

Most people in America aren't thinking. Period. The elections of 2008 and 2012 clearly demonstrate that.

The northern and southern sections of the country are almost like two different cultures and have been since colonial days. Secession was bound to occur at some point regardless of the occasion and may possibly occur again.

350 million people ruled by 535 that try to shoehorn the entire population into politically correct federally run programs/services/etc is wasteful, ineffective and destructive to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

382 posted on 12/01/2015 1:44:15 PM PST by cowboyway (Returning the federal government to its constitutional limits is a Lost Cause.)
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To: DoodleDawg

The retort of the century. /sarc


383 posted on 12/01/2015 1:45:29 PM PST by cowboyway (Returning the federal government to its constitutional limits is a Lost Cause.)
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To: x

Are you part of the ‘rockrr’ cartel?


384 posted on 12/01/2015 1:46:50 PM PST by cowboyway (Returning the federal government to its constitutional limits is a Lost Cause.)
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To: cowboyway
The northern and southern sections of the country are almost like two different cultures and have been since colonial days. Secession was bound to occur at some point regardless of the occasion and may possibly occur again.

The Eastern and Western States are different as well. The Mountain and Plains States are different from the Northeast or the West Coast. A country as big as ours is bound to contain very different regional cultures.

Right now, politics are more polarized than they have been at some other periods in our history, but the way that people in different parts of the country live is a lot more uniform than was true in the past. The split is more urban vs. rural than North vs. South, with people in Northern and Southern metropolitan areas living similar lives that are different from rural Americans.

350 million people ruled by 535 that try to shoehorn the entire population into politically correct federally run programs/services/etc is wasteful, ineffective and destructive to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Breaking up the country isn't likely to retard or reverse current social trends. Cutting Washington out of the picture wouldn't necessarily mean less of a regulatory-welfare state, since people might at first be more comfortable giving power and money to a new government that purports to be closer to their own interests.

What breaking up the country would mean is a loss of American influence in the world and an end to American self-confidence. For better or for worse, whatever successor states arose wouldn't be able to play the role of "World Leader." Sure, there's a burst of exuberance among people who are finally free from the other part of the country, but when they realize how little America and its values will count in the world, or even at home, it will be quite a comedown.

385 posted on 12/01/2015 2:42:54 PM PST by x
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To: Triple

Let it sink in that Lincoln could’ve hung Lee and Davis if he had desired but he didn’t, did he? And just what were these legal actions southerns states took?


386 posted on 12/01/2015 3:03:45 PM PST by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: cowboyway

Well howdy cousin, where you been? Boy, irony is sure lost on you, isn’t it? Hate? Well now cousin that’s a mighty big emotional investment to make and I invest wisely. I don’t hate my fellow Americans, least of all you. For you I’ve nothing but pity. Pity is far worse than hate.


387 posted on 12/01/2015 3:06:34 PM PST by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: cowboyway
The retort of the century. /sarc

I'm serious. You guys are a hoot.

388 posted on 12/01/2015 4:08:15 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Pokie is more like a hemorrhoid than a hoot.


389 posted on 12/01/2015 4:12:30 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: ohioman

What’s your wager?


390 posted on 12/01/2015 4:13:53 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: x

Don’t stop pokie when he’s on a roll! He’s sat on his gump and figured and figured and this is what he came up with.


391 posted on 12/01/2015 4:16:38 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: jmacusa

“Let it sink in that Lincoln could’ve hung Lee and Davis if he had desired but he didn’t, did he?” - J

Well, someone could have shot Lincoln in the head yelling “sic temper tyrannis,” but that doesn’t make it right or legal, now does it?

The State legislatures voted to secede.


392 posted on 12/01/2015 4:22:42 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Triple
The State legislatures voted to secede.

Which was a nice start but an ineffective measure.

393 posted on 12/01/2015 4:28:51 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Triple

Lincoln would have been well within his right according to The Constitution. When Grant was leaving for Appomattox Lincoln said to him “Let them up easy’’. Now what does that sound like to you?.


394 posted on 12/01/2015 4:33:40 PM PST by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: rockrr
Pokie is more like a hemorrhoid than a hoot.

Come on, look at what he posts. "...based on the previous four years of yankee war crimes which included the wanton destruction of private property and the rape, maiming and slaughter of non-combatants including those that they were supposedly there to set free." You don't find over-the-top stuff like that funny?

395 posted on 12/01/2015 4:39:11 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

It is worth a point & snicker, in a “wearing his dirty underpants on his head” sorta way ;’)


396 posted on 12/01/2015 4:45:10 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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but when they realize how little America and its values will count in the world, or even at home, it will be quite a comedown.

Living in a police state is also quite the comedown.

397 posted on 12/01/2015 6:24:54 PM PST by cowboyway (Returning the federal government to its constitutional limits is a Lost Cause.)
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To: rockrr

So, which rockrr is posting tonight?


398 posted on 12/01/2015 6:26:38 PM PST by cowboyway (Returning the federal government to its constitutional limits is a Lost Cause.)
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To: cowboyway

Who cares - they all outclass you.


399 posted on 12/01/2015 6:46:02 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: DoodleDawg
based on the previous four years of yankee war crimes which included the wanton destruction of private property and the rape, maiming and slaughter of non-combatants including those that they were supposedly there to set free." You don't find over-the-top stuff like that funny?

Over the top? Everything I posted is documented and irrefutable:

War Crimes Against Southern Civilians: This is the untold story of the Unions hard war against the people of the Confederacy. Styled the Black Flag campaign, it was agreed to by Lincoln in a council with his generals in 1864. Cisco reveals the shelling and burning of cities, systematic destruction of entire districts, mass arrests, forced expulsions, wholesale plundering of personal property, and even murder of civilians. Carefully researched largely from primary sources, this examination also gives full attention to the suffering of Black victims of Federal brutality.

Rape and Justice in the Civil War

"the nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."--- George Orwell

The truth will set you free.

400 posted on 12/01/2015 6:55:17 PM PST by cowboyway (Returning the federal government to its constitutional limits is a Lost Cause.)
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