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Andrea Rossi Granted E-Cat Patent by US Patent Office
E-cat World ^ | August 25, 2015 | Frank Acland

Posted on 08/25/2015 9:06:37 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog

Mats Lewan has posted on his Impossible Invention blog that Andrea Rossi has been granted a US Patent

The patent was granted today, August 25 2015.

(Excerpt) Read more at e-catworld.com ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: andrearossi; coldfusion; ecat; frankacland; lenr
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To: thackney

By golly, there are some marvelous machines and processes detailed there! It’s a darned shame that none work :|


21 posted on 08/25/2015 10:11:10 AM PDT by citizen (America is-or was-The Great Melting Pot. JEB won't even speak American in his own home. NO Bush!!)
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To: SpaceBar

OK, he has an exothermic reaction within a heat exchange system.

I don’t recall ever seeing “1/3 inch” in the same paragraph as “1 mm.”


22 posted on 08/25/2015 10:17:42 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: SpaceBar

Back in one of my classes, I saw a very small piece of sodium pulled from a beaker of liquid to show how caught fire in its reaction with ambient air.


23 posted on 08/25/2015 10:29:51 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Treason is as treason does, demons is as demUNs does.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Keep in mind that “it actually works” is not a criterium for patentability.

The criteria are: Novelty, non-obviousness, and industrial applicability; the latter being more of theoretical criterium meaning it can be made or used in industry (and is not tested).


24 posted on 08/25/2015 10:49:49 AM PDT by Moltke
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To: Wonder Warthog

If you have an E-Cat ping list, plz add me.


25 posted on 08/25/2015 10:57:11 AM PDT by citizen (America is-or was-The Great Melting Pot. JEB won't even speak American in his own home. NO Bush!!)
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To: thackney
I have read a lot of this and that about Rossi and other LENR experimenters. Seems like a 'where there's smoke there's fire' relationship analogy fits this situation.

At the following link there are a lot of interested parties in the comments section.

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/25/andrea-rossi-granted-e-cat-patent-by-us-patent-office/

26 posted on 08/25/2015 11:46:29 AM PDT by citizen (America is-or was-The Great Melting Pot. JEB won't even speak American in his own home. NO Bush!!)
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To: citizen
Seems like a 'where there's smoke there's fire' relationship analogy fits this situation.

I heard similar comments decades ago about the 200 mpg carburetor.

I don't find lots of interest to equal lots of reality.

27 posted on 08/25/2015 11:51:09 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: MeganC
"So what do you think? Is this for real, does it work, or is it really just a significant step towards something else?"

IMO, it is both. The device works as claimed, but is a very early (although practical) implementation. I am sure that both larger and smaller units based on the technology will be developed.

28 posted on 08/25/2015 1:01:26 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Lx
"Is it possible to use the patent to make the E-cat?

IMO, yes. This US patent gives far more details than Rossi's earlier Italian patent. There are several items in the patent that had not previously been divulged....specifically the inclusion of metallic lithium powder (in addition to the lithium aluminum hydride) in the fuel mix, and a composition formula giving rough amounts of nickel, lithium powder, and LiAlH4 needed.

29 posted on 08/25/2015 1:05:25 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: thackney

If only Exxon and GM had let it live!


30 posted on 08/25/2015 1:05:31 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Section 20.)
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To: Moltke
"The criteria are: Novelty, non-obviousness, and industrial applicability; the latter being more of theoretical criterium meaning it can be made or used in industry (and is not tested)."

Have twenty-six patents myself, so am well aware of patent-ability criteria (including "paper" (as in "only exists on paper") patents). I

31 posted on 08/25/2015 1:09:38 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: citizen
"If you have an E-Cat ping list, plz add me."

There used to be one (not maintained by me). But I don't have the time to run one. This post on the patent is strictly a one-off due to the importance of subject, and the fact that actually receiving a patent increases the likelihood that more information will be forthcoming.

And with the new info from the patent, I expect that multiple replications will soon be done.

32 posted on 08/25/2015 1:14:28 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: SpaceBar

Totally agree...and I might add that that his process reminds me of classic alchemy.


33 posted on 08/25/2015 1:19:02 PM PDT by Cold Heat (For Rent....call 1-555-tagline)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Seems the claims are far too narrow to afford any significant capture of space in this area, if the chemicals can be changed. Should this one “work”, competitors will be modifying the crap out of it or proto-ing their own so as to not infringe.


34 posted on 08/25/2015 2:16:37 PM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: SgtHooper

Here’s claim 1:

1. An apparatus for heating fluid, said apparatus comprising a tank, an electrical resistor, and a fuel wafer, wherein said tank is configured for holding fluid to be heated, wherein said fuel wafer is configured to be in thermal communication with said fluid, wherein said fuel wafer includes a fuel mixture that includes reagents and a catalyst, wherein said electrical resistor is in thermal communication with said fuel mixture and said catalyst, wherein said resistor is configured to be coupled to a voltage source, wherein said apparatus further comprises a controller in communication with said voltage source, and a temperature sensor, wherein said fuel mixture comprises lithium, and lithium aluminum hydride, wherein said catalyst comprises a group 10 element, wherein said controller is configured to monitor a temperature from said temperature sensor, and, based at least in part on said temperature, to reinvigorate a reaction in said fuel mixture, wherein reinvigorating said reaction comprises varying a voltage of said voltage source.

If the fuel mixture can be varied, competitors may be home free.


35 posted on 08/25/2015 2:25:28 PM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: SgtHooper
"Seems the claims are far too narrow to afford any significant capture of space in this area, if the chemicals can be changed. Should this one “work”, competitors will be modifying the crap out of it or proto-ing their own so as to not infringe."

I fully agree. I think Rossi's specific embodiment is a rude, crude, kludge. I put it as the equivalent of the Newkomen steam engine (which worked quite well, and enabled the birth of the coal/steel Industrial Revolution).

Who will be the "James Watt" of "cold fusion"????

And it is still a long step from our "LENR-proto-Watt" to the equivalent of a modern steam turbine power plant.

36 posted on 08/25/2015 2:45:21 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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It's worth noting that nothing in the Patent mentions "LENR", "Cold Fusion", "Nuclear" anything, nor "excess energy".

In other words, this Patent has nothing to do with Rossi's E-Cat.

It's also worth noting that this Patent contradicts just about everything Rossi (and his pal Levi) have been claiming over the years. The last "test" allegedly converted the fuel (containing ordinary Nickel and other miscellaneous) into 99% pure Ni62. There is no plausible reaction that could do this, but 99% pure Ni62 is readily available from chemical supply houses

Just more razzle-dazzle to string along the chumps who have given Rossi money (including franchisees who were told that Rossi had production-ready E-Cats to sell in 2012).

37 posted on 08/25/2015 2:54:28 PM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: SpaceBar
"That said, I think Rossi's a fraud. He was supposed to own the planet and rule it from his fortress of solitude at the north pole six or seven years ago according to his fanboys.

LOL. Since Rossi only first came to public attention in 2011, your comments appear just a bit ridiculous.

As to your scare comments about LiAlH4, any chemist can handle it with no problems. My wife used it frequently doing her dissertation research. A glove bag and tank of nitrogen is all that is needed.

And at $129 per 100 grams, an experimental quantity isn't going to put anyone in the poorhouse.

38 posted on 08/25/2015 2:58:43 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Johnny B.
Just more razzle-dazzle to string along the chumps who have given Rossi money...

Magic unicorn power pellets sold separately.
39 posted on 08/25/2015 7:02:38 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar; Vermont Lt; Lx

Great post SB.

Lithium Aluminum Hydride is not something you want to be working with in your garage.


40 posted on 08/26/2015 3:27:26 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Section 20.)
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