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Lies My Teacher Told Me: The True History of the War for Southern Independence
http://www.abbevilleinstitute.org ^ | July 22, 2014 | Clyde Wilson

Posted on 05/12/2015 3:00:03 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

We Sons of Confederate Veterans are charged with preserving the good name of the Confederate soldier. The world, for the most part, has acknowledged what Gen. R. E. Lee described in his farewell address as the “valour and devotion” and “unsurpassed courage and fortitude” of the Confederate soldier. The Stephen D. Lee Institute program is dedicated to that part of our duty that charges us not only to honour the Confederate soldier but “to vindicate the cause for which he fought.” We are here to make the case not only for the Confederate soldier but for his cause. It is useless to proclaim the courage, skill, and sacrifice of the Confederate soldier while permitting him to be guilty of a bad cause.

Although their cause was lost it was a good cause and still has a lot to teach the world today.

In this age of Political Correctness there has never been a greater need and greater opportunity to refresh our understanding of what happened in America in the years 1861–1865 and start defending our Southern forebears as strongly as they ought to be defended. There is plenty of true history available to us. It is our job to make it known.

All the institutions of American society, including nearly all Southern institutions and leaders, are now doing their best to separate the Confederacy off from the rest of American history and push it into one dark little corner labeled “ Slavery and Treason.” Being taught at every level of the educational system is the official party line that everything good that we or anyone believe about our Confederate ancestors is a myth, and by myth they mean a pack of lies that Southerners thought up to excuse their evil deeds and defeat.

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KEYWORDS: dixie; finos; ntsa; whitesupremacists; whitesupremacy
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To: jeffersondem
Didn't Washington at one time consider himself to be a “good Englishman” and actually fight for the British - before he fought against the British?

Washington also believed loyalty to country trumped loyalty to states. See his Farewell Address.

81 posted on 05/12/2015 5:37:51 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Resolute Conservative
I am not arguing the morals of slavery. It is wrong, no just evil. I had family in the south and none owned slaves. Some were well off and some were dirt poor. I am discussing reasons for the war and people tend to tie slavery on an emotional level to Lincoln’s reason for war. He himself said the war was about preserving the union and not slavery, until he needed it as an argument to win the war.

I guess in the grand scheme of things, slavery is technically evil, being that one is being held against their own consent and forced to perform labor without just compensation. Some say though, being a Devil's Advocate for a sec, that in return for labor, they were given shelter, food, medical care (what passed for it then), clothing and had the ultimate in job security. Still upward mobility was poor indeed and families could have been split up. So overall, slavery was bad and I do admit that. Still we are judging the world of 1860 by 20th and 21st Century standards. We do have to remember that for most of human history, slaves were the norm. Keep that in mind for later.

Even so, barring the war and/or if there was a Southern victory with the definition of the Confederacy being their own sovereign nation, slavery's days were numbered. Some say that Lee had ideas of manumitting the slave after the war starting about 1870 or 1880 Maybe, maybe not, but I think do to economic and international pressure as well as technology, it would have died out. Why have Roofus and Jupiter slaving away in the fields when you could have John Deere and Westinghouse do it for you? Some say the Confederacy wanted the Carribean. I could see them supporting a nation for freed slaves using Cuba or Haiti maybe if not mirroring Marcus Garvy's ideas of a return to Africa. Slavery would have been gone by 1900 at that latest.

The Confederacy made one big mistake though, being the first to fire on Fort Sumter. We all learned from the schoolyard, the first one to throw a punch is seen as wrong, barring extreme circumstances such as exhausting all other peaceful means first.

Well, let's bring this into the present. Some say this was the start of the eroding of State powers in lieu of Federalism. I see it this way:

First American Revolution (1775 - 1783) - Good guys won
Second American Revolution (1861 - 1865) - Good guys lost
Third American Revolution (201x - ????) - Tie Breaker?

Remember my first paragraph? When you look at a huge part of the Black community today and even a big number of everyone else, there are slaves being made without their consent and/or giving their consent after being deceived or in duress. Welfare is a form of slavery, keeps people down, breaks families apart while getting their shelter, food and so forth provided me the "new massa," the Federal Government. Combine that with the weak economy as well as by design, there is no or little upward mobility, This is where we are headed. Although we can debate the past, we need to let it go but remember it as we experience the present and have concern for the future.
82 posted on 05/12/2015 5:39:09 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Nowhere Man
Some say that Lee had ideas of manumitting the slave after the war starting about 1870 or 1880

Jeez Louise! I read that book growing up too.

It ain't history, though.

83 posted on 05/12/2015 5:46:33 PM PDT by x
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To: x
It ain't history, though.

Agreed. That's why it is called "Alternate History," "What-If," and/or "speculative fiction or science fiction." If you believe there are parallel worlds out there, I'm sure there are some Confederates in an alternate 2015 wondering "what if" the North won.
84 posted on 05/12/2015 5:59:33 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: jmacusa

Slavery was legal. Next guess.


85 posted on 05/12/2015 6:24:09 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: colorado tanker

We would win this time and kick the north and west coast out. Win win.


86 posted on 05/12/2015 6:24:56 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: Secret Agent Man

Fugitive slave act. Next question!


87 posted on 05/12/2015 6:25:55 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: jmacusa

We are all the slaves now. CW put the states in a servant relationship to the federal government. Next?


88 posted on 05/12/2015 6:27:06 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: joe fonebone

The south took its property back from the federal government. The rulers of the north were asked nicely many times first. In effect were forced to clear the fort to remove occupying trroops. Next


89 posted on 05/12/2015 6:29:07 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: Resolute Conservative

You sir win a cigar. The shooting almost started 20-30 years earlier but was advert end through compromise which made the north greedier and pushed harder.


90 posted on 05/12/2015 6:32:05 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: Resolute Conservative; windcliff; stylecouncilor

Great posts.

When I was in SC recently I ate up the stuff and bought a few books at the Museum and Library of Confederate History in Greenville.

A couple of days later I was at The Citadel in Charleston for the cadet’s Friday parade. When the band struck up the National Anthem I placed my hand over heart and tried to choke back the tears which always seem to come when that melody takes me through the sweep of American history.

“...Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land. God Bless the USA!”

...And the CSA too. God, I love Dixie!


91 posted on 05/12/2015 6:33:36 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Resolute Conservative

Slavery is based on human nature to control. We are now the slaves and the control now had by the Feds is staggering. You can war only so long against human nature. It will pop up in another place. Carpetbaggers raping the south during reconstruction was another form.


92 posted on 05/12/2015 6:35:25 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: DoodleDawg

Years of regional desperiinging fellow countrymen has been an effort to prevent recurrence. We have wars today that go back 1000 years of animosity. When things snap they snap in odd ways.


93 posted on 05/12/2015 6:38:38 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: DoodleDawg

“. . . the North was fighting to preserve the Union.”

So you are saying the War was not about slavery?


94 posted on 05/12/2015 6:42:13 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: DoodleDawg
But England was a country - one that Washington was loyal to - until he wasn't.

Remember DoodleDawg, the states created the Union, not the other way around.

95 posted on 05/12/2015 6:42:13 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: x
“The Confederates had been represented (and over-represented in Congress . . .”

The southern states were well represented but not over-represented. Each southern state had two Senators per the Constitution and Representatives as proscibed. At the insistence of the northern states, some people in the south were only counted as 3/5ths of a person.

96 posted on 05/12/2015 6:42:13 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Regulator

Secession is the orderly, negotiated dissolution of a compact. Rebellion is the organized opposition to authority or a conflict in which one faction tries to wrest control from another. What the Colonialists did in 1776 was unabashedly a rebellion. They openly challenged the authority of the king and crown. There was no pretense at “secession” and they knew that their very lives would be determined by the outcome.

The slavers rebelled in 1860 too, only they didn’t have the brass to be honest about their insurrection. Secession - as pretended by the slavers was illegal and is so today.


97 posted on 05/12/2015 6:44:35 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: buckalfa

No other entity on the losing side of a national conflict has been afforded the opportunity to advance their narrative like the south has. Heck, that’s where the whole notion of the Lost Cause comes from.


98 posted on 05/12/2015 6:48:52 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: jmacusa

No, Blacks became Republicans after the civil war, and that continued until the early 1960s.

Turning that around is what gave democrats control in conservative states, like California, for example.

Your blindness is curable through study.


99 posted on 05/12/2015 6:50:03 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NKP_Vet

The south went to war because Lincoln was elected and they feared that this spelled the end of slavery. Period.


100 posted on 05/12/2015 6:52:22 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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