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Don't spin the Civil War
Washington Post ^ | 12.27.10 | E.J. DIONNE jR.

Posted on 12/27/2010 10:31:54 AM PST by trumandogz

The Civil War is about to loom very large in the popular memory. We would do well to be candid about its causes and not allow the distortions of contemporary politics or long-standing myths to cloud our understanding of why the nation fell apart.

The coming year will mark the 150th anniversary of the onset of the conflict, which is usually dated to April 12, 1861, when Confederate batteries opened fire at 4:30 a.m. on federal troops occupying Fort Sumter. Union forces surrendered the next day, after 34 hours of shelling.

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To: TexConfederate1861

You were advised to have that brain injury treated, you know.

Now, look what’s happened to you. The damage is done and your grip on reality simply does not exist. Come daybreak, perhaps you can return to watching the dust particles dance in the sunbeams.


681 posted on 12/30/2010 4:36:34 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: mac_truck

The family appreciates your kind words, mac.

A fine young man was lost to us. He served with honor and true to the values of the Corps. He died well.


682 posted on 12/30/2010 4:39:08 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: mojitojoe

Oh, really?

You found no failing in the post I responded to?

You find no failing in Confederates expressing glee at the murder of Lincoln?

It is well and good that you emerge from the shadows.


683 posted on 12/30/2010 4:41:24 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: mojitojoe

Your opinion is duly noted and will be given the respect that it merits.

Thank you for your submission.

You are dismissed.

Have a nice day!


684 posted on 12/30/2010 4:42:34 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: mojitojoe
"Sherman is no better than Bin Laden, in fact, was worse. He did it to his own countrymen."

Own Countrymen?

Are you saying that the CSA never did exist and those who lived in the Confederacy were US citizens and not citizens of the CSA?

That's an odd view for a Proud Confederate.

685 posted on 12/30/2010 6:12:08 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: Thumper1960
You find no failing in Confederates expressing glee at the murder of Lincoln?

Booth made him a martyr, that was a stupid thing to do.

A second Goon term would have sealed his fate as the worst President. He would have been known as a racist and the "send 'em all to Liberia" President.

686 posted on 12/30/2010 6:41:32 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: cowboyway

He is probably a member of the Log-Cabin Republicans :)


687 posted on 12/30/2010 7:05:22 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our yout)
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To: Thumper1960

My only complaint is that Booth wasted good Southern Lead on the tyrant!

I open champagne every April to celebrate!


688 posted on 12/30/2010 7:11:50 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our yout)
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To: TexConfederate1861

Well, well, well.....

You celebrate the assassination of presidents.

By using the term “Confederate” in your screen name, you must speak for quite a sizable number of Confederate sympathizers.

You already reject being an American first and so you reveal celebratory actions on the anniversary of the assassination of a US president.

Given the chance, Mr. Confederate, would you be willing to stand in the shoes of John Wilkes Booth? Would you, Mr. Confederate, be as willing to murder a president of the United States? Mr. Confederate, since you are a “Texan first”, do you claim to be outside the jurisdiction of US law? Mr. Confederate, do you advocate the assassination of any US president, or any other duly elected representative of any branch or level of Federal, state or local government who, by your Confederate beliefs, acts in a manner counter to those beliefs? Do you, Mr. Confederate, find a substantial difference between your celebration of the assassination of a US president and the celebrations in many parts of the islamic world, by radical muslims, at the murderous events of 11 September, 2001?

Most Americans recoil in horror from the act of assassination of elected officials. Most Americans believe that we effect change by the ballot and not by the hand of the disaffected hit-man. Yet, you hold the Lincoln assassination in high regard. Given the staunch support of your fellow Confederate Cultists here, it would appear that your views on presidential assassination would be shared by a considerable number of them.

Just how many of you Confederate Cultists also “celebrate” the murder of US presidents, as Mr. Texas Confederate does?

Don’t be shy. Apparently you’ll recieve no backlash, since some of you claim “friends in high places”.


689 posted on 12/30/2010 7:51:55 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: mac_truck

Probably too expensive for you. Keep on drinking that Colt 45 boy.


690 posted on 12/30/2010 7:52:31 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Thumper1960
The one and only thing Abe was good for. A statue that one day I can hopefully dive on and relieve myself on. Photobucket
691 posted on 12/30/2010 8:00:53 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Thumper1960

That’s rich coming from someone who admitted that they used to be a Marxist. You did say that here on FR did you not?


692 posted on 12/30/2010 8:02:52 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1400 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Thumper1960

Sic Semper Tyrannis!


693 posted on 12/30/2010 8:18:06 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our yout)
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To: mojitojoe

“they are going to take him away, haha!”
Thumpranger, and his homo-marxist band! LOL!


694 posted on 12/30/2010 8:21:00 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our yout)
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To: central_va

Former my *SS!!


695 posted on 12/30/2010 8:21:49 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our yout)
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To: mojitojoe

I got to do that to John Brown’s Grave....it was FUN!!


696 posted on 12/30/2010 8:30:49 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our yout)
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To: mojitojoe

We are a band of brothers and native to the soil
Fighting for our Liberty, With treasure, blood and toil
And when our rights were threatened, the cry rose near and far
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star!

Chorus:
Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights, hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

2. As long as the Union was faithful to her trust
Like friends and like brethren, kind were we, and just
But now, when Northern treachery attempts our rights to mar
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

Chorus

3. First gallant South Carolina nobly made the stand
Then came Alabama and took her by the hand
Next, quickly Mississippi, Georgia, and Florida
All raised on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

Chorus

4. Ye men of valor gather round the banner of the right
Texas and fair Louisiana join us in the fight
Davis, our loved President, and Stephens statesmen rare
Now rally round the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

Chorus

5. Now here’s to brave Virginia, the old Dominion State,
With the young Confederacy at last has sealed her fate,
And spurred by her example, now other states prepare
To hoist high the bonnie blue flag that bears a single star.

Chorus[2]

6. Then cheer, boys, cheer, raise a joyous shout
For Arkansas and North Carolina now have both gone out,
And let another rousing cheer for Tennessee be given,
The single star of the Bonnie Blue Flag has grown to be eleven.

Chorus

7. Then here’s to our Confederacy, strong we are and brave,
Like patriots of old we’ll fight, our heritage to save;
And rather than submit to shame, to die we would prefer,
So cheer for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

Chorus[3]


697 posted on 12/30/2010 8:32:50 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our yout)
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To: mojitojoe

Yup.

I did and I was. I have the scars to prove it, too.

Unlike the Confederate Cultists, I learned, grew, changed, saw the light and mostly credit Reagan acolytes for their forbearance and polemic skills in helping me overcome my erroneous ways.

What is your excuse?


698 posted on 12/30/2010 8:33:12 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: mojitojoe
Probably too expensive for you.

Comes in a variety of fruity flavors too doesn't it?

I'll bet your favorite color is pink.

699 posted on 12/30/2010 8:33:50 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: TexConfederate1861

How about that... An entire song aobut Southern Rights or more specifically a song about their twisted belief that they should be able to own human beings and hold them in slavery.


700 posted on 12/30/2010 8:38:58 PM PST by trumandogz
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