Posted on 08/21/2010 7:17:45 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
Today, the U.S. Treasury released a $1 coin commemorating former President James Buchanan. And people aren't happy about it.
To understand why, some background is helpful. In 2007, thanks to a bill promoted by then-Senator John Sununu of New Hampshire, the Treasury began minting $1 coins with the likenesses of former Presidents, starting with George Washington.
The coins -- which have been appearing ever since, featuring a new President every three months -- are meant to improve use and circulation of America's dollar coins, which are often seen as an awkward misfit among currency, neither fish nor fowl.
Sununu's initiative drew inspiration from the 50 State Quarters Program, which launched in 1999. The runaway success of that effort, according to his legislation, "shows that a design on a U.S. circulating coin that is regularly changed... radically increases demand for the coin, rapidly pulling it through the economy."
The bill also suggested that a program wherein Presidents are featured on a succession of $1 coins, and First Spouses commemorated on gold $10 coins, could help correct a state of affairs where "many people cannot name all of the Presidents, and fewer can name the spouses, nor can many people accurately place each President in the proper time period of American history."
So the bill passed, and the Washington dollar coin appeared not long after. It was followed by Adams, Jefferson, et al., with the First Spouse coins minted alongside.
Now we're up to Buchanan, the fifteenth President, who took office in 1857 and turned things over to Abraham Lincoln in 1861, and whose coin (produced at the Philadelphia and Denver Mints and purchasable through the U.S. Mint website) has occasioned the aforementioned grousing. Here's where some feel the coin program is falling short:
1. The coins aren't circulating.
Many Americans have never gotten into the habit of using $1 coins, and as a result, over a billion commemorative Presidential coins are sitting around in a stockpile at the Federal Reserve. As BBC News reports, if these coins were stacked up and laid on their side, they'd stretch for 1,367 miles, or the distance from Chicago to New Mexico.
2. They don't seem to be educating people, either.
In February 2008, a year after the first presidential coins were minted, The New York Times reported that a survey had found large numbers of American teens to be woefully ignorant of their country's history. It was far from the first time Americans had gotten a dismal grade in history, suggesting that Sununu's commemorative-coin campaign isn't having much of an effect in that arena, either.
3. James Buchanan was kind of a crappy president.
In fairness, this is a grievance with a specific president, not the presidential coins program as a whole. Still, it seems to come up in all the coverage of the new coin: Buchanan wasn't very good at his job.
That's the consensus of historians, anyway, who have traditionally censured Buchanan for his failure to prevent the Civil War. Last year, a C-SPAN survey of historians granted Buchanan the dubious distinction of worst president ever.
Still, all of this isn't reason enough to declare the commemorative-coins program a total failure. If more coin collectors start avidly pursuing the presidential coins, it could have the effect of pushing down the national debt, thanks to the way the value of the coins fluctuates with their availability. And if the dollar coins were to catch on and replace paper $1 bills entirely, it could save the country between $500 and $700 million each year in printing costs.
Plus, if things stay on track, 2012 will see the release of the Chester A. Arthur dollar coin -- marking the first time that long non-commemorated president's face has ever appeared on any nation's currency. And who are we to deprive him of that?
Would you like me to throw in a "Poor thing" and a "Bless your heart" or two? Would that make you feel better?
No he didn't, he targeted secessionist thugs. Rustbucket in post #269 quoted Sherman as ordering General Watkins:
"Can you not send over to Fairmount and Adairsville, burn 10 or 12 houses of known secessionists, kill a few at random and let them know it will be repeated every time a train is fired upon from Resaca to Kingston."
I'm not as sure about Southern women, but children have too much sense to be secessionists. Therefore, Sherman was not targeting children though I wouldn't doubt some secessionists hid behind children so their rabble rousing and money making could go on unhindered by distress or danger.
Verse 1
Bring the good old bugle, boys, we’ll sing another song
Sing it with a spirit that will start the world along
Sing it as we used to sing it, 50,000 strong
While we were marching through Georgia.
Chorus
Hurrah! Hurrah! we bring the jubilee!
Hurrah! Hurrah! the flag that makes you free!
So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea
While we were marching through Georgia.
Verse 2
How the darkeys shouted when they heard the joyful sound
How the turkeys gobbled which our commissary found
How the sweet potatoes even started from the ground
While we were marching through Georgia.
Verse 3
Yes and there were Union men who wept with joyful tears,
When they saw the honored flag they had not seen for years;
Hardly could they be restrained from breaking forth in cheers,
While we were marching through Georgia.
Verse 4
“Sherman’s dashing Yankee boys will never reach the coast!”
So the saucy rebels said and ‘twas a handsome boast
Had they not forgot, alas! to reckon with the Host
While we were marching through Georgia.
Verse 5
So we made a thoroughfare for freedom and her train,
Sixty miles in latitude, three hundred to the main;
Treason fled before us, for resistance was in vain
While we were marching through Georgia.
He said that he's been all over the country! Of course, I don't think that Google Maps counts but, you know how it is with the coven. They're just ever so slightly out of touch.
But of course you did, little boy!
What’s your point?
That traveling 'all over the country' via Google Maps isn't quite the same as actually being there.
BTW, love your tagline. You're so clever, you big, tough, scary guy, you!
End the Occupation!
Free Dixie!
Sounds good. When are you going to switch to Southern martyr mode?
I respectfully disagree. The South's secession in the face of the things I posted was their choice, their right, and was entirely consistent with what Hamilton, Jay, Madison, and Marshall said the Constitution meant. As Madison later said:
The compact can only be dissolved by the consent of the other parties, or by usurpations or abuses of power justly having that effect. [my bold]
What you provided was davis's "FU" to the union on his way out of town. He isn't saying, "Let's try to find a way to work out things equitably", he's saying, "Via condios putas"
Let us leave in peace is the same as "FU?" I learn new things each day. Now I know what to say to some annoying person. "Let us leave in peace." That will sure let him know what I am thinking.
As long as it took. That is, if they were to act honorably.
Take a look at the actions of the North to repeal or amend their personal liberty laws once the South began to secede. I believe that truly honorable Northerners should have recognized that their laws were unconstitutional and repealed or modified them years before it came to this. The South had borne the flouting of the Constitution by the North for some 20 years or more before seceding.
Here are some excerpts from various articles I’ve found in the old newspapers and elsewhere. A few of them deal with subjects other than fugitive slaves, but most do. What I’m posting below is long, but I take your question seriously. I've wanted to transcribe these old articles for some time now, and you have provided the occasion. These articles from the newspapers and other things give some flavor of what was happening prior to the war. It is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
If the South were to violate any part of the Constitution intentionally and systematically, and persist in so doing, year after year, and no remedy could be had, would the North be any longer bound by the rest of it? And if the North were deliberately, habitually, and of fixed purpose to disregard one part of it, would the South be bound any longer to observe its other obligations? I have not hesitated to say, and I repeat, that if the Northern States refuse, willfully and deliberately, to carry into effect that part of the Constitution which respects the restoration of fugitive slaves, and Congress provide no remedy, the South would no longer be bound to observe the compact. A bargain cannot be broken on one side and still bind the other side. [Massachusetts Senator Daniel Webster, 1851] :
THE CITIZENS OF MASSACHUSETTS AND THE PERSONAL LIBERTY BILLS. Chief Justice Shaw, B. R. Curtis, Joel Parker, and other citizens of Massachusetts equally distinguished, have addressed a letter to the people of that State on the Personal Liberty Bills, which they declare to be unconstitutional. They urge strongly the repeal of them. … “We would repeal them under our own love of right; under our own sense of sacredness of compacts; under our own convictions of the inestimable importance of social order and domestic peace; … [they] stand as conspicuous and palpable breaches of the national compact by ourselves.” [Philadelphia Public Ledger, December 20, 1860. rb note: Shaw was Chief Justice of the Mass. Supreme Court, Curtis was a former Justice of the US Supreme Court, Parker was professor of constitutional law at Harvard and former Chief Justice of the New Hampshire Supreme Court.]
Frederick County, Va. Resolved. That in our judgment the refusal and failure of the New England States to keep the obligations of the federal compact would long since have justified any Southern or any slaveholding State in pronouncing the compact broken, and the Union made by it dissolved. [Baltimore Sun, Jan. 2, 1861]
That was the nature of the offence [high treason as defined by Chief Justice Marshall years before the offence] which Theodore Parker, Wendell Phillips, and their associates were charged with when they incited the mob in Fanueil Hall to go to the Courthouse to rescue Burns, the fugitive slave, in which unlawful enterprise Batchelder, one of the marshal's deputies, was murdered. [Baltimore Sun, Jan. 4, 1861, recounting the 1854 return of Burns, the last slave returned from Massachusetts.]
Annual Message of the Governor of New York. It [the New York law] has been universally held to be obsolete by all our commentators, and all our public authorities [by virtue of Prigg v. Pennsylvania (1843)] although now improperly classed among what are technically called “personal liberty laws,” and made occasion for jealousies and discontents. I recommend its repeal. In this connection, and while disavowing any dispositions to interfere with what exclusively pertains to the individual States, and in a spirit of fraternal kindness, I would respectfully invite all those States which have upon their statute books any laws of this character, conflicting with the federal constitution, to repeal them at the earliest opportunity … [Baltimore Sun, Jan. 4, 1861]
Gov. Banks Recommends the Abrogation of the Personal Liberty Bills. Boston, Jan. 3,. – Gov. Banks to-day delivered his valedictory to the Legislature in the presence of a large crowd of citizens. He recommended the abrogation of the personal liberty bills. [Baltimore Sun, Jan. 4, 1861]
It would be the same in Massachusetts, if, under the personal liberty bill, a fugitive from labor should be taken before a jury to be tried. No Massachusetts jury could be found to agree that he was a fugitive slave. [Baltimore Sun, Jan. 4, 1861. rb note: If he was not found to be a fugitive slave, the Massachusetts law could jail and fine the person seeking his return.]
Views of Gov. Banks. Governor Banks, of Massachusetts, in his valedictory delivered Thursday, contended that there can be no peaceable secession. The government cannot be dissolved at the bidding of any dissatisfied State, nor can that portion of the continent occupied by the American States, be portioned out to hostile nations. [Baltimore Sun, Jan. 5, 1861]
Message of the Governor of Delaware. Gov. Burton , in his message to the Legislature of that State, reviews at some length the aggressive spirit exhibited by the North toward the South, and maintains with forcible arguments the necessity for each state to enforce the laws and comply fully with the letter and spirit of the constitution, as the only means by which the Union can be preserved. [Baltimore Sun, Jan. 5, 1861]
The Michigan Legislature. … The retiring Governor delivered his annual message to both Houses. He takes strong ground against the right of secession; charges the President of the United States with misrepresenting the principles of the republican party … In relation to the personal liberty laws of this State, he says if they are unconstitutional and in conflict with the fugitive slave law, they should be repealed, but says these laws are right and speak to the sentiments of the people; are in strict accordance with the constitution, and ought not to be repealed. [Baltimore Sun, Jan. 5, 1861]
The Governor of Michigan Advocating Coercion. The Governor denies that the personal liberty bills have prevented the execution of the fugitive slave law in a single instance. The law has always been enforced on an appeal being taken. ... He recommended the State Legislature to manifest its loyalty to Michigan and proffer the President the use of the whole military power of the State to sustain the integrity of the Union.
Absurd and Impudent Action by the Michigan Legislature. We can conceive of nothing more absurd than the passage by either house of the Legislature, at Lansing, of the resolutions which are reported to have passed concerning national affairs, while the personal liberty bill still stands. The personal liberty law -- so the legislature of 1859 construed it, and such is the only construction which it will bear -- "was designed to and if faithfully executed will prevent the delivering up of fugitive slaves." It is therefore plain, palpable, unadulterated nullification of the fugitive slave law. … how absurd is it, how impudent is it, in her to pass resolutions that the Constitution of the United States, and all laws in pursuance thereof, "are the supreme law of the land" … that "Michigan is now, as she has always been, entirely loyal to the Constitution.” ... We know of nothing better calculated to stimulate secession than this action, especially as it is the action of a State whose professions of loyalty to the Constitution are a lie. [The Detroit Free Press as quoted in the State Gazette of Austin, Texas, March 2, 1861]
Detroit, Monday, April 8. About three hundred fugitive slaves, principally from Illinois, have passed into Canada at this point since Saturday, and large numbers more are reportedly on the way. Many are entirely destitute, and much suffering is anticipated, notwithstanding the efforts made for their relief. [New York Times, April 9, 1861]
Inaugural Message of Governor Andrew of Massachusetts. The enrolled militia in the state exceeds 155,000 men, while the active militia numbers about 5,600. The Governor suggests that a larger number be placed on an active footing, so that the state may be ready to contribute her share of force in any exigency of public danger. … The personal liberty law he believed to be strictly constitutional, as the right of a person to reclaim an alleged fugitive must always be subordinate to the indefeasible right of every free man to liberty. … He denies the right of a state to secede …[Baltimore Sun, Jan. 7, 1861]
Fugitive Slaves in Pennsylvania. A bill has been reported in the Pennsylvania Legislature to repeal the sections of the penal code of that State which obstruct the enforcement of the fugitive slave law. The part punishing kidnapping, &c., is allowed to remain, but the part obstructing the recapture of fugitives, and punishing the magistrates or other officers who may aid (for they are not compelled to do so) in the execution of the fugitive slave law is repealed. … [Baltimore Sun, Jan. 9, 1861]
The Fugitive Slave Law in the Pennsylvania Legislature. Harrisburg, Pa., Jan. 10, midnight. –The republican resolutions relative to the Union were up to-day for consideration in the Senate. Senator Welsh, of York, offered a substitute declaring the provision in the constitution relative to fugitive slaves binding upon the people of all States, recommending the repeal of all statutes interfering with the fugitive slave law, asserting the equal rights of all the States in the Territories, and expressing the devotion of Pennsylvania to the Union abd the constitution. This will be endorsed by the democratic Senators. [Baltimore Sun, Jan. 11, 1861]
Pennsylvania Legislature Refuses to Repeal the Anti-Fugitive Salve Law. Harrisburg, Pa., Jan 11. – Senator Welsh’s resolutions, proposing to repeal the obnoxious provisions of the act of 1847, and the penal code, were voted down to-day, all the republicans voting against them. [Baltimore Sun, Jan. 12, 1861]
Message of the Governor of New Jersey. Governor Olden, of New Jersey, in his annual message, opposes secession, but advocates concession and compromise, urges the repeal of all laws of the State, if such there be, which are unjust to the South, calls upon Congress to agree upon some plan of adjustment of the national troubles, and in case of failure, urges the New Jersey Legislature to invite all the States to meet in national convention to concert measures whereby the Union may be saved. [Baltimore Sun, Jan. 12, 1861]
The Case of the State of Kentucky Against the Governor of Ohio, for Refusing to Issue a Warrant for the Arrest of Lago. Washington, Jan. 11. – The case of the State of Kentucky against the Governor of Ohio, who refused to issue his warrant for the arrest of Lago, charged with having enticed a slave from Kentucky into Ohio, was set for to-day, in the Supreme Court, but the Attorney-General of Ohio having forwarded an affidavit of a professional engagement which prevented his attendance, the case was postponed until the 8th of February. Kentucky was ready by counsel. [Baltimore Sun, Jan. 12, 1861]
Washington, Jan. 12. Hon. Wm H. Seward, of New York, addressed the Senate to-day, on the President's message. He said Congress ought, if it can, redress any real grievances of the offended States, and then supply the President with all the means necessary to maintain the Union. He argued that the laws contravening the constitution, in regard to the escape of slaves, ought to be repealed. He was willing to vote for an amendment to the constitution, that Congress should never have the power to abolish or interfere with slavery within the States. [The Daily Mississippian, Jackson, Mississippi, Jan. 16, 1861]
Departure of Fugitive Slaves for Canada Chicago, Monday, April 8. One hundred and six fugitive slaves left this city last night for Canada via the Michigan Southern Railroad. It is estimated that over one thousand fugitives have arrived in this city since last Fall, most of whom have left since the recent arrest of five by the United States Marshal. … [New York Times, April 9, 1861]
Lincoln’s two secretaries, Nicolay and Hay, in Volume 3 of their book Abraham Lincoln, A History noted that a careful 1860 study of the personal liberty laws by the National Intelligencer found that the personal liberty laws of Vermont, Massachusetts, Michigan and Wisconsin were clearly unconstitutional.
Many citizens in the northern states did not really perceive the danger of interfering with enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Law until South Carolina withdrew from the Union, and the secession of the other states seemed imminent. ... Finally realizing the danger, a concerted effort was begun in December, 1860 by several northern governors to seek repeal or modification of their personal liberty laws. ... During the four months preceding the outbreak of the Civil War, Rhode Island and Maine repealed their personal liberty laws. The personal liberty laws of Massachusetts and Vermont were modified, and the legislature of Wisconsin passed a resolution which recommended the revision of her personal liberty laws. ... A majority of the northern states now exhibited every effort to prevent the personal liberty laws and opposition to enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Law from being used as a pretext for secession. They were too late. [The Slave Catchers by Stanley W Campbell]
And later in the same letter Madison said, "The characteristic distinction between free Governments and Governments not free is, that the former are founded on compact, not between the Government and those for whom it acts, but between the parties creating the Government. Each of those being equal, neither can have more rights to say that the compact has been violated and dissolved, than every other has to deny the fact, and to insist on the execution of the bargains."
Already been there. First stop, actually. Can't find anything indicating some massive population drop. Maybe you can find different. The 1850 census found about 6800 white people living in the whole of Chesterfield County.
The area was very prosperous.
A regular Paradise Lost, huh?
You need to study the area before the war, you know some actual study.
Feel free to support your claims with actual evidence beyond your say-so.
You know, I would rather struggle with a southern martyr complex
I don't see any sign of struggle. I think "wallow" would be a better word. But I guess you need some excuse for yourselves.
I’d give the worst title to Obama, followed by FDR, LBJ, Carter, and Wilson in that order.
and this means what?
The census records. Remember, you said that I should look at them. It was the first thing I looked up. That's where I found that the white population of the county in 1850 was about 6800 people.
Mt Croghen was what was called "the village" for the area plantations.
Like I said, a wide spot in the road.
It was a place to raise families, work, worship the Lord, and enjoy the good things He provided.
Like slaves?
If you want to study it, open an unbiased history book.
Like you've read one.
That's because there was no struggle, only the undefended, black and white women, children, and the elderly. You should be proud.
We were talking about you here, not your ancestors. YOUR struggle against your southern martyr complex. Remember? You're the one who used the word and applied it to yourself.
And I am proud. My ancestors were loyal to the United States, answered the call of the their country, and fought under the flag that I still live under today.
So says the Helen Keller of Lost Cause Losers
Hey cutie! You still following me around?
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