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Study says spider web developed just once
AP ^ | 22 June 2006 | By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, AP Science Writer

Posted on 06/22/2006 6:49:23 PM PDT by VadeRetro

WASHINGTON - Will you walk into my parlor, said a Cretaceous spider to an ancient fly. The classic spider's web, like Charlotte would have woven, was invented just once, way back in the Cretaceous period some 136 million years ago, scientists report.

Called an orb web, it's the generally circular style spun by two major types of spiders, which had raised the possibility of the two groups evolving this form separately.

But a paper in Friday's issue of the journal Science says a comparison of the spider genes related to web making shows that the orb web developed just once.

Researchers led by Jessica Garb of the University of California, Riverside, compared orb-web building spiders in the genuses Deinopoidea and Araneoidea. Both build orb webs to catch prey and the deinopoids also include net-casting spiders that throw a modified orb web over their prey.

Araneoids include the orb weavers such as golden silk spiders with their traditional spiraling web as well as those that weave sheet webs.

Garb said in a statement that the finding "does not support a double origin for the orb web," but indicates that the unique design evolved only once.

While the two groups probably developed orb-web spinning from a common ancestor, they came up with different ways of making the web catch prey.

Araneoid webs have glue droplets that make prey stick to the web, while deinopoids wrap their threads with a different type of silk fiber that "the spiders comb, until it almost has the appearance of Velcro under a microscope, and they snag insects that way," Garb reported.

Not all spiders make orb webs. The black widow, for example, weaves a web that is a tangle of silk without the circular pattern.

In a separate paper in the same issue, a team of researchers including David A. Grimaldi of the American Museum of Natural History reports the discovery of a Cretaceous-era spider web encased in amber along with some captured insects.

The amber, found in Spain, preserved 26 strands of silk, many of them connected to one another. Glue droplets are visible on the web and prey includes a fly, a mite, a beetle and a wasp.

The amber was dated to about 110 million years ago and is the oldest known example of a web with trapped insects, according to Grimaldi.

This finding confirms that spiders and complex, sticky webs date back early enough to have affected the evolution of the most diverse groups of flying insects, the researchers said.

Garb's research was funded by the National Science Foundation and the Army Research Office while that of Grimaldi was supported by the Spanish-French Scientific Research Program and the Spanish Ministry of Education and Science.

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1 posted on 06/22/2006 6:49:27 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: PatrickHenry
Webs evolved only once ping.
2 posted on 06/22/2006 6:50:03 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro

And of course, lip coloration was only invented once also.

I'm not buy either of these theories.


3 posted on 06/22/2006 6:53:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The Democrat Leadership Trifecta 2006: Anti truth, U.S. and sanity. Another leftist generation lost.)
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To: DoughtyOne
The forensic trail in the genes says it happened once.
4 posted on 06/22/2006 6:54:31 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro

5 posted on 06/22/2006 6:55:39 PM PDT by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: VadeRetro

I appreciate the thought behind that comment. None the less, I remain skeptical. They may be right.


6 posted on 06/22/2006 6:56:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The Democrat Leadership Trifecta 2006: Anti truth, U.S. and sanity. Another leftist generation lost.)
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To: VadeRetro

Evolution or common design?

At least the article says "Invented" not "evolved".

How would orb web design evolve anyway? Dude spider friend, my DNA's messed up with mutations, I feel compelled to go build an intricately designed orb web.


7 posted on 06/22/2006 6:59:42 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: VadeRetro
The forensic trail in the genes says it happened once.

The Da Vinci of Charlotte's Web, ehhh ?

8 posted on 06/22/2006 7:00:03 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight ("The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step" - Lao Tzu)
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To: Rabid Dog

Ping for spider lovers in your family.


9 posted on 06/22/2006 7:00:34 PM PDT by Snapping Turtle (Slow down and get a grip!)
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
Note: We now have over 380 names on the list:

Evolution Ping

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A conservative, pro-evolution science list, now with over 380 names.
See the list's explanation, then FReepmail to be added or dropped.
To assist beginners: But it's "just a theory", Evo-Troll's Toolkit,
and How to argue against a scientific theory.

10 posted on 06/22/2006 7:04:43 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: DannyTN
Evolution or common design?

You can yell "common design" with the genes, yes, no matter how similar. You can't do that with all the "plagiarized errors" and viral infection scars.

As you should well know by know but never will.

11 posted on 06/22/2006 7:07:51 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Interesting statistic...


12 posted on 06/22/2006 7:08:52 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: PatrickHenry
Almost up there with the Discovery Institute's big bad "dissenter's list."
13 posted on 06/22/2006 7:08:53 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro

"Michael, we're bigger than US Steel!"


14 posted on 06/22/2006 7:10:13 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: All
Going to have to post and run tonight. "Sometimes it just turns out that way-ay-ay" --- the Mommas and the Poppas.
15 posted on 06/22/2006 7:10:31 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Fine movie line...I had to stop for a moment, and remember what film it came from..Ah, 'Godfather 11'...


16 posted on 06/22/2006 7:11:58 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: VadeRetro
As you should well know by know but never will.

Seems I didn't knock off any too soon.

17 posted on 06/22/2006 7:12:05 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro
"You can yell "common design" with the genes, yes, no matter how similar. You can't do that with all the "plagiarized errors" and viral infection scars."

Well actually I can. When I programed, I reused code all the time. Prove that those are "errors" and aren't intentional. Prove that what you think is a viral infection scar, really is. And prove that the virus didn't affect multiple organisms the same way.

If we get bird flu and it leaves the same scar as in chickens does that mean we descended from chickens?

18 posted on 06/22/2006 7:13:26 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: VadeRetro

Only once, eh? They are dependable, functional and have visual appeal. Too bad these spiders don't go to work for General Motors!!


19 posted on 06/22/2006 7:24:41 PM PDT by biff
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To: DannyTN
At least the article says "Invented" not "evolved".

You should read the article before posting it and you should definitely read it before posting a comment on it.

20 posted on 06/22/2006 7:28:34 PM PDT by OmahaFields
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