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THE INDIAN SCENARIO: FROM BAD TO WORSE
yahoo news ^ | Friday December 21 08:23 PM EST | Richard Reeves

Posted on 12/22/2001 7:45:35 AM PST by Walkin Man

Friday December 21 08:23 PM EST

THE INDIAN SCENARIO: FROM BAD TO WORSE

By Richard Reeves

WASHINGTON -- The harder part of the American war against terrorism began last week as Taliban and al-Qaida fighters in large numbers began to cross from Afghanistan (news - web sites) into Pakistan along ancient smugglers' trails through the mountains that divide the countries. And then, in a plan from hell, a Pakistani suicide squad attacked the Indian Parliament meeting in New Delhi.

These are terrifying developments for anyone who knows that part of the world. We're not in Afghanistan anymore, a country only by courtesy of mapmakers, which functions in many of its places as if the Middle Ages had never ended. India and Pakistan, enemies since they were laid out by fleeing British mapmakers in 1947, are countries of a different order, blessed and cursed by many of the tools of modernity, from pharmaceuticals and air conditioning to modern armies with jet fighters and nuclear missiles.

At the end of October, I wrote of the "Indian Scenario," describing it this way:

"If United States and British forces accomplish their goal of driving the Taliban from power in Afghanistan, defeated Taliban (and al-Qaida) fighters will flee to the only place they can go, Pakistan. The military government of President Pervez Musharraf could soon itself be fighting off a resurgent fundamentalist movement in the streets and in the countryside. ... The United States, concerned about Pakistan's stability -- and its nuclear weapons -- talks about moving in to secure nuclear sites. But India may not bother to talk, preferring to just do it. Indian troops might parachute into Pakistan, taking those nuclear storage and missile areas. At the same time, the Indians could move up to and across the Pakistan border in the Punjab and Kashmir (news - web sites) ..."

Friends in Pakistan quoted 50-50 odds on that scenario two months ago. Those odds are worse now. The next bet will be whether Pakistan itself survives -- and how many people would die in its bloody breakup. Hundreds of thousands died in 1970 and 1971, when what was then called East Pakistan produced an independence movement and was invaded and brutally occupied by the Pakistani army, which was based in West Pakistan. Then the occupiers were defeated and captured by the Indian army, creating the new country now called Bangladesh. West Pakistan retreated into what we now call Pakistan.

If there are Indian attacks now into the west, it is likely that the Pashtuns we have come to know would attack across the Khyber Pass into Pakistan's North West Frontier Province in an attempt to create the old tribal dream of a country called Pashtunistan. To the east, Iranians would be tempted to move into Baluchistan Province, a land of Shia Muslims who speak a dialect of Farsi, the Persian language.

This is close and complicated. It depends on at least four factors: (1) How patient can the Indians be, particularly with nuclear missiles pointed their way? (2) Will the Indians trust the guarantees of the Americans who have been (irrationally) pro-Pakistan most of these 50 years? (3) Can the Pakistani army control the 5,000 or so Pakistani, Afghan and Arab Muslim terrorists in the divided and disputed teritory of Kashmir? (4) Is there a chance that the Pakistan military will divide into pro-Taliban and anti-Taliban factions?

If war comes to the subcontinent, the Indians will win, as the United States would be able to defeat Canada or Mexico on our continent. India spends only 2 percent of its gross domestic product of $469 billion on the military, but that fuels an active military force of more than 1.1 million men. Pakistan spends 5 percent of GDP (news - web sites) on defense, but with a GDP of $61 billion, it has only 400,000 men under arms.

The news of the day is about American (or British) military forces moving into Somalia or Iraq in an extended war on terrorism. But those countries will be a sideshow if the war in Afghanistan becomes an aggravating factor in rising tensions between Pakistan and India. Working out a peaceful deal there -- not an easy thing -- should be on the Americans', the alliance's or the world's next agenda.


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1 posted on 12/22/2001 7:45:35 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: Walkin Man
Almost all aspects of this article were forseeable on September 12.

I have long held that our Asian target was Pakistan. More precisely Pakistan's nuclear capabilities.

Bush has been playing the little general like a fiddle. First Afghanistan with a surrogate army (NA) and now Pakistan with a surrogate army (India).

2 posted on 12/22/2001 8:04:36 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Walkin Man
Big boom potential there.
3 posted on 12/22/2001 8:07:55 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Walkin Man
I'm not so sure of Reeve's analysis re: the capabilities of the two militaries. I've read that the Paki nuclear capability is very good and may even exceed that of India. It won't be pretty if a war starts there. Pakistan will certainly use nukes rather than accept a battlefield defeat from India. Not to mention that China is an ally of Pakistan if for no other reason than China's rival in the area is India.
4 posted on 12/22/2001 8:07:57 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Walkin Man
bttt
5 posted on 12/22/2001 8:13:10 AM PST by mrustow
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To: Amerigomag
First Afghanistan with a surrogate army (NA) and now Pakistan with a surrogate army (India).

Interesting, I guess time will tell but as the story says, these two countries are no Afghanistan. Both have nuclear weapons and Red China is an interested regional party also.

6 posted on 12/22/2001 8:13:24 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: aculeus
Yes the stakes are raised to possible nuclear level in this game.
7 posted on 12/22/2001 8:15:53 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: Arkie2
Pakistan will certainly use nukes rather than accept a battlefield defeat from India

Pak nuke delivery is compromised by their proximity to their enemy. Takes time to load and aim. Ordinarily not a problem but both the US and India are less than 7 minutes from target. If the missiles are "setup" they'll be gone before they can be launched.

8 posted on 12/22/2001 8:18:32 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Arkie2
Pakistan will certainly use nukes rather than accept a battlefield defeat from India.

I'm assuming you mean a battlefield defeat in Pakistan proper. What about Kashmir? Do you think the Paki's would go nuclear over that?

9 posted on 12/22/2001 8:22:37 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: Walkin Man
Red China is an interested regional party also

China will most probably not overtly react if India's intrusion is limited to the Kashmire region and the US's involvement is limited to the destruction/compromise of the Pak nuclear aresenal.

10 posted on 12/22/2001 8:31:21 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
I'm assuming not all the nukes are on missiles. If they're delivered via plane they could be dispersed. Also, I'm reminded of the US Air Force's inability to prevent scud launches in the Gulf War. Pakistan has better capability than Iraq did and if they can tip these mobile missiles with nukes then the Indians can't be certain of taking them all out in one strike.
11 posted on 12/22/2001 8:34:34 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Walkin Man
I believe I read that military forces are in place all along the border, not just Kashmir. Wars have a way of getting out of hand. I don't know if it would be possible to limit the scope of the war to just Kashmir.
12 posted on 12/22/2001 8:36:38 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Arkie2
I'm reminded of the US Air Force's inability to prevent scud launches in the Gulf War

Several differences:

Two generational changes in intel capability, one generational change in weapons, a major change in C&C, and last but not least distance. We had long overflight times during Desert Strom. Today we sit just a few miles off Pakistans coast and at any given time have many aircraft in their airspace.

13 posted on 12/22/2001 8:58:04 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
You're assuming the US would be involved on the Indian's side? I don't think they have those capabilities.
14 posted on 12/22/2001 9:48:13 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Arkie2
You're assuming the US would be involved on the Indian's side

Nope.

Just acting in our own best interest according to our own game plan.

15 posted on 12/22/2001 10:32:12 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Walkin Man
Thanks for this interesting angle. Especially this: "... (2) Will the Indians trust the guarantees of the Americans who have been (irrationally) pro-Pakistan most of these 50 years? ..."

It used to be a mystery why, amidst all the "freedom" and "democracy" blowhardism of the US government, we have never been the friends of India that we, morally, should have been; and instead have cultivated close--seemingly unbreakable--ties with some of the most brutal oligarchies a smiling Mohammed ever envisaged.

But, ever so slowly, I'm growing up--in some areas, anyway.

16 posted on 12/22/2001 10:38:05 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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