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The nuclear option
The Washington Times ^ | Sunday 4 Nov 2001 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 11/04/2001 4:11:33 PM PST by vannrox

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:35:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told the London Telegraph late last month that Britain and the United States should expect a large-scale chemical and biological weapons assault on civilian targets by Osama bin Laden's terrorist group. The objective, said Mr. Wolf-owitz, is to cause tens of thousands of casualties.


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"...This is not a time for diplomatic or political niceties. It is a time to wipe them out before they wipe any more of us out..."

Indeed!

1 posted on 11/04/2001 4:11:33 PM PST by vannrox (MyEMail)
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To: vannrox
NUKES have my OK
2 posted on 11/04/2001 4:16:56 PM PST by Henchman
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To: vannrox
NUKES have my OK
3 posted on 11/04/2001 4:16:58 PM PST by Henchman
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To: vannrox
Foolish foolish talk. Will we atom bomb Germany and Italy too where many Middle Easterners reside, many with ties to these cells? Will Canada be after that? How about Mexico? How about London? They are there as well. All this nuclear bravado is nothing more than frustration being exhibited by people who can't think beyond their front door. And after we have nuked them all into submission, we'll be dealing with radiation in our milk, meat and water for a long time to come. I think you better give a bit more thought to the use of nuclear not as a first, but a last choice.
5 posted on 11/04/2001 4:21:30 PM PST by CARTOUCHE
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To: vannrox
[second opinion follows]

All that's well and good... and even reasonable... If we were at
war with a particular country.

Unfortunately, the terrorists reside in many different countries,
including ours. Using a nuclear weapon to kill hundreds of
thousands of innocent people is not going to thwart the
terrorist activity here. It will however, alienate those that do not
currently hate the United States.

If the use of a nuclear weapon is only to destroy the maze of caves
and tunnels, it may be used, and be accepted. But not for any
other purpose.

6 posted on 11/04/2001 4:25:11 PM PST by Deep_6
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To: vannrox
We are in a total war with Islam. The fanatics have control of the religion and the meek "moderate" Muslims will not or cannot stop the murderous hijacking of their religion. It's time for the so-called "moderate" Muslims (if there is such a thing) to fear US non-Muslims more than they fear their own extremists. We are going to have to raise the level of killing to a point where Muslims either stop the mass murder of innocents or be obliterated from the planet.
7 posted on 11/04/2001 4:28:20 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: CARTOUCHE
"I think you better give a bit more thought to the use of nuclear not as a first, but a last choice."

While we, as a nation have sworn off the use of WMD in a first strike capacity, we have reserved the option of using them in response. This is the precise doctrine that kept saddam from employing chem or bio during the Gulf war. If you don't view four fuel laden jet liners deliberately targeted at significant targets as WMD, then that is your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

It is no (big) secret that biowarfare theorists have postulated about genetically specific bioweapons that would target certain populations, and pass, like the angel of death, over other households. It's time to kick these programs into overdrive. That is my opinion, and I'm entitled to it.

8 posted on 11/04/2001 4:29:58 PM PST by Joe 6-pack
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The consequence of waiting until using the most decisive weapons is that you have to wait until you are damaged hard enough to warrant their use. Understand? Escalation implies further pain and suffering.


Knowing that it is possible that further trama can be inflicted upon our nation, it is prudent that we use EVERY method at our disposal to assure that we can control and limit the damage.


The ground rules are quite clear. No one is advocating the wanton and indiscriminate use of massive nuclear retalitation on any country that harbors terrorists. But, instead, the debate is limited wholly to the rapid use of significant force before the ENEMY uses force on us. Key countries that played an active role in the harboring of this unorthodox method of war is and shall be treated as the Agressor nation.


They and only they have something to fear. Americans will not wait until New York City is destroyed to launch a nuclear preemptive strike.


9 posted on 11/04/2001 4:37:22 PM PST by vannrox
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To: Deep_6
Using a nuclear weapon to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people is not going to thwart the terrorist activity here. It will however, alienate those that do not currently hate the United States.

Sorry...i don't agree....we should have nuked the country that we know to be most involved with terrorism on 9/12. Then send the message to the other countries on our list that unless they reign in the terrorist they are next....let them figure out who is #2 on our list and we will also becoming for the terrorist such as osama, borders be damned.

The VAST MAJORITY of arab/muslim's hate us....we can do very little if anything to make them hate us more. We can make them FEAR us though.

10 posted on 11/04/2001 4:41:02 PM PST by is_is
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
You are making wild ass statements that are flat out wrong. Turkey is a secular Islamic nation. We are not at war with Islam any more than we are war with Turkey. If we are going to war with Islam then we had better start calling it a crusade and it better be the final and a successful crusade at that. We are at war with terrorists. Yes, many of them are Islamic fundamentalist nuts but we also have fundamentalist nuts in Christendom. Ones that bomb here on our own shores. (Oh, excuse me, they're patriots). So for you to characterize this war as one on Islam tells me you are pretty anti-raghead to begin with. So we must deny ragheads their walk on Earth because we THINK they are dangerous to us. It's folks like you who are a danger to our own freedom. Thank God you don't advise the White House on military matters. (Do you?)
11 posted on 11/04/2001 4:42:01 PM PST by CARTOUCHE
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To: vannrox
Nuke the terrorist savages now!
12 posted on 11/04/2001 4:43:35 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: is_is
I fear you buddy. You are a brick short of a full load.
13 posted on 11/04/2001 4:43:44 PM PST by CARTOUCHE
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To: vannrox
Previous thread.

And I still say;

"Drop the bomb. Kill them all!"

14 posted on 11/04/2001 4:43:50 PM PST by nimc
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To: CARTOUCHE
"... Thank God you don't advise the White House on military matters. (Do you?) ..."


Guess What? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha .....
15 posted on 11/04/2001 4:44:33 PM PST by vannrox
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To: Standing Wolf
Sure, NUKE, NUKE, NUKE, then what'll we have left when China decides to launch on Taiwan or Alaska or LA? Nothin! xXXx xXXXXXXx xXXXXXXXXx XXXXXXXX XXXXXX XX XX XX XX XXXX
16 posted on 11/04/2001 4:47:42 PM PST by CARTOUCHE
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To: CARTOUCHE
You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Where are the Muslims rallying against the slaughter of innocents by their own? Where are the public protests of the murderous Muslims by their own brethren? Mister, you are the deluded one. One of the few Muslim leaders in America who IS moderate and has condemned the murderers, said he believes 85% of the Islamic mosques in the United States are dominated by extremists.

Close your eyes if you will. Islam is not a peaceful religion and it has been a threat to other religions everywhere in the world since it was founded in the 7th Century AD. Look around the world and you will see intolerance and violence toward non-Muslims from those countries where Islam is the primary religion.

Assuming only 15% of the world's Muslims truly support bin Laden and similar murderers, that still amounts to more than 100 million barbarians who think it is OK to slaughter innocent men, women and children. Islam is not beside the point though everyone wants to wish the ugly truth away. Islam is the 3-ton elephant standing in the corner of OUR living room and which nobody wants to acknowledge!

17 posted on 11/04/2001 5:10:57 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: nimc
"Drop the bomb. Kill them all!"

You are one totally sick human being.

18 posted on 11/04/2001 5:15:21 PM PST by Beenliedto
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To: CARTOUCHE
Now you're being hysterical. The United States reserves the right to use any weapon in our arsenal in order to deter the enemy from using theirs.

This is why we have developed nuclear weapons for the past half century.

You, on the other hand advocate capitulation and surrender based on fuzzy ideas of political correctness and simple minded hopefulness.

For your information, the president has a moral as well as a constitutional duty to protect American lives by whatever means necessary. The Islamists know this, unfortunately, many weak willed Americans as well as our allies do not.

All real Americans love the sting of battle. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser.

Gen. Patton 1944

19 posted on 11/04/2001 5:18:32 PM PST by Channel_Islands_EANx_Diver
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To: vannrox
We totally nuke Afghanistan. Then what? Do we nuke all the other nations (with their oil) that would inviteably rise up in anger at us? Do we nuke, say, Trenton New Jersey because there are Muslim terrorists operating there? By steadily eliminating the Taliban as we are doing right now we will set an example to other regiemes that might consider harboring terrorists, but we are doing it in a way that is unlikely to bring out a violent response by other nations or individuals-ie the so called moderates. Now, some of these individuals and nations will, and are, speaking out against our actions, but none of them are commiting agression. That would likely, almost certainly change if we exercised nuclear action. Fortunately, the hotheads that love to play backseat general are not in charge, and I think, judging from the patience and precision we have seen, we need not woory much of rash action from this administration.
20 posted on 11/04/2001 5:18:48 PM PST by Cleburne
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