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Anti-State.com ^ | Oct 4, 2001 | sendtoscott

Posted on 10/04/2001 7:38:21 AM PDT by sendtoscott

Dead Is Dead

Just this year, the National Academy of Sciences concluded that CAFE (“Corporate Average Fuel Economy” - the federal government's new car fuel economy standard enacted in 1975) had contributed to the deaths of an extra 1,300 to 2,600 Americans every year in traffic accidents.  A 1989 Brookings-Harvard study estimated an annual death toll increase of 2,200 to 3,900 from CAFE. A 1999 article in USA Today estimated that a total additional 46,000 Americans had been killed in traffic accidents that would not have been without CAFE.  They didn't die peacefully in their sleep at age 80; these are violent and gruesome deaths before their time. 

The extra deaths were caused by the reduction in size and weight of cars, which reduced their gas usage and their ability to protect their occupants. The smallest cars have "occupant death rates" more than twice those of larger cars. Making every car smaller would not help.  Fewer than five percent of small car accident deaths result from collisions with large SUVs; it is car size in general that impacts death rates. 

A Republican initiative to expand CAFE passed the House of Representatives on August 1. 

The information above came from "A Crashing Failure", an article in the September 17, 2001 issue of National Review.  That article also mentions that both Ralph Nader (in 1989) and Clarence Ditlow of the Center for Auto Safety (in 1972) have admitted that larger cars are safer, but support CAFE now. 

"Who gives a damn?  There's a war on." This war started when somebody else’s government (assuming the terrorists had the backing of some government) killed 6,000+ Americans.  With CAFE alone, our own government has caused the violent deaths of a September 11 attack roughly every one and a half to three years.  As far as the war goes, is it better to lose 2,000 additional Americans per year in traffic accidents during war instead of peace? Has anyone else ever seen a safety film shot during WWII, where the theme was "we need you to be careful and live, because we need you to help kill Germans"? 

"The terrorists deliberately killed American and are a real threat to kill more Americans." Traffic accidents in America kill Americans. CAFE is guaranteed to kill more Americans.  Our government is a real threat to pass more laws like CAFE. Nobody has to give a damn about what happens to Iraqi, Afghan, or Palestinian civilians to care about this. 

Our own government did not kill anyone deliberately here, but given what environmentalists have admitted about larger cars being safer (and common sense about wanting more metal around you when you hit a tree), the feds cannot wash their hands of all moral blame for these deaths. Besides, they know now that Americans are being killed. Do you see any movement toward repealing CAFE? This is not to make any claim of moral equivalency.  Criticizing stupidity is not saying that it is the moral equivalent of terrorism.  Reckless disregard for peoples’ lives is not the same as premeditated murder, but it is still criminal. 

"People like you damn anarchists would have let Hitler conquer the world."  CAFE is domestic policy.  Isolationism is not the issue when bringing this up.  CAFE is not the Price of Empire; it is merely the price of big government. 

"You can't say those killed in the World Trade Center deserved it because of our government's actions."  I'm not.  Did Americans in the World Trade Center deserve to die because the American government passed a law that resulted in the deaths of more Americans?  Hell no.  CAFE isn't something we did to any foreigners; this is something our government did to its own people. 

"How can you even talk about something this petty right now?"  If the American government causing 46,000 American deaths qualifies as 'petty', what does that say about what we have resigned ourselves to just accepting?  If something as MEGO (“My Eyes Glaze Over” – i.e. usually considered dull and unimportant) as CAFE can do this much damage, what else has our own government done to us? 

If Osama bin Ladin deserves a painful death for what he did (and to my mind, he does), can't we at least jail the politicians responsible for CAFE, or can the politicians kill Americans with no consequences?


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1 posted on 10/04/2001 7:38:21 AM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: sendtoscott
Collateral damage in the war on capitalism, or simply unintended consequences? At least someone was trying to do something about energy and environmental problems. Right?

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

2 posted on 10/04/2001 7:47:19 AM PDT by citizenK
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To: sendtoscott
Dead is Dead

I hadn't heard. My sincere condolences.

3 posted on 10/04/2001 7:48:28 AM PDT by benjaminthomas
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To: sendtoscott
I'm sorry, but I don't see how you can blame the government for the deaths of Americans. Last time I checked, it was still a fairly free country and most of us have been given driving priviledges and the choice of our vehicles. If I want to buy and drive an aluminum can on wheels, choose to save money on gas and save the environment, I can do so knowing that it increases my risks of having the jaws of life pull my twisted dead body out of it in the event of an accident. I can also choose to drive a gigantic old duelly truck and plow down any tree I hit. So, my suggestion is tighten your tin-foil hat, or buy a big American made truck.
4 posted on 10/04/2001 7:48:48 AM PDT by dingram
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To: dead
Are the reports of your passing greatly exaggerated?
5 posted on 10/04/2001 7:49:15 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: sendtoscott
Am not. I'm just hungover.
6 posted on 10/04/2001 7:50:52 AM PDT by dead
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To: sendtoscott
Am not. I'm just hungover.
7 posted on 10/04/2001 7:50:54 AM PDT by dead
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To: sendtoscott
The National Academy of Sciences concluded today that birth leads to death in 100% of the cases investigated.
8 posted on 10/04/2001 7:52:03 AM PDT by gjenkins
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To: dead
I thought it was horrible news when I read the title...Boy, I bet you're relieved...
9 posted on 10/04/2001 7:53:25 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: dingram
Right on. Darwin in action.
10 posted on 10/04/2001 7:53:26 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: dingram
I'm sorry, but I don't see how you can blame the government for the deaths of Americans.

The government is responsible for the consequences of its actions. American citizens are responsible for the consequences of their individual actions. Both can share responsibility for certain bad consequences.

Every conservative who laments that govt social programs cause family breakdown make the same basic argument I do. If you have a baby out of wedlock, you are responsible (assuming you weren't raped). If govt policy causes illegitimate births to go up, the govt is responsible. Both statements can be true.
11 posted on 10/04/2001 7:54:12 AM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: sendtoscott, dead
Whew! I know that this is the title of the article, but my first thought was that something had befallen Steve ("dead").

Guess I'm a bit jumpy with the extra-caffenated coffee I've been drinking recently--LOL. Kind of like that Tweak kid on South Park ("aak!"), I guess.

Steve, drop on by and say hello if you get the chance(your in the bond).

-LL

12 posted on 10/04/2001 7:58:21 AM PDT by LincolnLover
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To: dingram
If I pay you $10,000 to kill someone, you are responsible for murder, because you freely chose to take the money and kill. I am also responsible, because I encouraged you to do it by paying you.

Responsibility can be shared.
13 posted on 10/04/2001 7:59:45 AM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: dead
I was worried for a few minutes there, but then I realized that you've always been dead. ;-)
14 posted on 10/04/2001 8:00:08 AM PDT by an amused spectator
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To: dingram
The problem is that the CAFE standards of today are being tightened to the point that your gigantic old duelly truck will be made illegal and your choices at the new car lot will be between a tiny spam can on wheels and their "new and improved" SUV with seating for 3-1/2 and paper thin sheet metal.
15 posted on 10/04/2001 8:03:38 AM PDT by Conservative_Rob
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To: dead
Whew. Had us worried there for a minute.
16 posted on 10/04/2001 8:03:53 AM PDT by MaeWest
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To: dead
Well, that was what I thought the title meant, too.

Check your pulse - I do every morning. A number of one or greater and it's gonna be a good day...

17 posted on 10/04/2001 8:04:55 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: dead
When I first read the title of this thread, I thought it was your obit. So glad it was a false alarm. (Although I know that sometimes hangovers make one wish they were dead!)
18 posted on 10/04/2001 8:06:13 AM PDT by slugbug
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To: dead
Had I known, I would have chosen a different article title. :-)

Then again, it probably did increase thread traffic.
19 posted on 10/04/2001 8:07:09 AM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: Conservative_Rob
Well, I guess that gives us something to do. We all buy big trucks and keep voting.
20 posted on 10/04/2001 8:08:37 AM PDT by dingram
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