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Meeting Islam Halfway ... to Hell
Free Republic ^ | Oct. 1, 2001 | IronJack

Posted on 10/01/2001 4:31:45 AM PDT by IronJack

September 11th's unprecedented assault on the World Trade Center may prove the event that galvanizes moral support in defense of American interests, much to the chagrin of the attackers, and probably to the ultimate detriment of Islam around the world. For in the appalling slaughter of innocents, the Muslim extremists demonstrated a savagery that must disturb even the most complacent bystander, and force those spectator nations to declare their allegiance either to the enlightened faith of the West, or to the dusty regime of terror that marks the laughably named "Cradle of Civilization."

Religion begets morality (though some would debate the cause and effect) and morality is the primary shaper of culture. If a religion teaches that the only solution to disagreement is torture and death, then that culture is unlikely to play well with another religion founded on tolerance and love. In terms of social Darwinism, the less tolerant religion has the advantage, since it can eliminate its opposition, and with extreme prejudice. However, the battle for cultural supremacy isn't always won at the point of the sword. Ostensibly, the Normans won the Battle of Hastings, but there is little French about England today. The conquerors were themselves assimilated, and the cultural momentum of the Saxons trumped the broadaxes and chevaliers of the invader.

So too in this religious war against Islam. Ultimately, even if all Westerners were loving, practicing Christians who were willing to turn the other cheek to be smitten, the oppression inherent in the Taliban's iron regime would do it in. As conservative social scholars have long noted, license is always an easier sell than self-discipline. There are a lot more strip joints in the world than monasteries. In our hearts, we all know that a certain amount of self-denial is good for the soul, and that overindulgence, while amusing in an ephemeral way, usually results in long-term decay, if not disaster.

However, when it's taken to the point of denying your essential human-ness, when every sapient stirring is considered the devil's handiwork, then you're living a lifestyle so repressed as to be either transcendent or explosive. That is to say, you're either the Dalai Lama or you're Jim Jones. Osama Bin Laden ain't the Dalai Lama. And the Peoples Temple is just a footnote in history.

On the other end of the continuum, Western culture may have become TOO civilized to engage the eye-to-eye bloodletting necessary to prosecute this war. We may need to take a hint from the Hezbollah's help page. Historically, those civilizations that become too indifferent to their own defense eventually succumb to the cultures that make aggression a staple. The Greeks did. The Romans did. To a large degree, the English did. True, where cultures of equal aggression collide, technology is usually the tie-breaker. It happened to the Aztecs and the American Indians. But the bloodlust of Christianity is at the other end of the spectrum from Islam, and maybe to our detriment. Sadly, we may need to abandon some degree of our humanity in order to battle a force more primitive yet.

And the enemy will need to forsake his total barbarity in favor of technology. Inflamed though his passion, unbending though his resolve, a bedouin with a pointed stick is no match for an Apache with a Vulcan nose cannon. You don't develop technology like that by blowing up each other's factories and crucifying your scientists. You don't educate scientists in a flyblown hovel by the light of a guttering candle, or do optic research in the back of a burned-out bus.

As each society bends to accommodate the exigencies of this conflict, each assumes more of the other's identity, until the gap is narrowed, and we finally find something in common. It's the Hegelian dialectic written in human suffering, with margin notes scribbled in gore.

Yet Islam seems to admit of no common ground. Forced to confront the outrages of the Taliban in their own back yards, the Afghan people seem willing to shoulder the burden of Bin Laden's jihad rather than defy him. Apparently there is enough energy left in that ravaged country to invigorate the inquisitors, the handful of vigilantes who horsewhip insolent women, burn books, and kedge the cultural anchor right back to the Dark Ages. Amid the ruins, there are still those who can fathom only continued devastation, whose crushed hopes translate into nihilist resignation, and antipathy born of despair. They have no fire left in their souls, so they must extinguish that fragile glimmer in others. All that's left to them is a barbaric devotion to a merciless god who promises in the afterlife all those things he denies in this.

It's odd that a number of the Trade Center murderers were trained as engineers, people who usually spend their lives imagining how to build things better, not studying the accomplishments of others with an eye toward their ultimate destruction. The former career promises an opportunity to benefit mankind, as well as to profit nicely for your efforts. It is telling that the killers eschewed that constructive course in favor of the science of demolition. It is always easier to destroy than to build, just as it is easier to criticize the works of others than to approximate them yourself.

Apparently, Islam is content to shun those cultural developments that have moved man slightly farther from the jungle, values like enlightened self-interest, a sense of global community rather than ideological isolation, and tolerance instead of xenophobic hatred. Those facts make it a religion particularly unsuited to a shrinking world, where cultural collisions can no longer safely be resolved by violence. In the days of geographic insulation isolation and slingshots, age-old hatreds could be nursed and the bloody ballet reprised periodically with only the keening of widows as its accompaniment. As we've just seen, nowadays the whim of a madman can result in the instant death of thousands, destruction of the symbols of our progress, and a disruption of global stability. No man should have that much power, certainly not one guided by delusions his own scholars don't support. And no ideology should be able to propagate its oppression to "infidels" half way around the world by borrowing a firestorm from the pits of Hell itself.

The pressures on Islam arise from its increasing irrelevance, not from Judeo-Christian imperialism. Those cultural pressures will ultimately do it in , unless its disciples learn to get along with others. If they choose another course, they doom not only their religion, but the culture it breeds. It would perhaps be the most fitting irony if it turns out that Allah's holy warriors destroyed more of their own spiritual infrastructure on Sept. 11 than they did ours.


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If Muslims elect to force the West's hand, it will eventually be to the former's doom. If this century is to be marked by religious war, it could very well mean the end of one or the other, and the West will not go gently into oblivion.
1 posted on 10/01/2001 4:31:45 AM PDT by IronJack (sfs01@home.com)
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To: IronJack
Religion begets morality

Are you sure about that one Jack?

2 posted on 10/01/2001 4:40:32 AM PDT by OWK
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To: IronJack
Good editorial. It has become politically incorrect, even here at Free Republic, to admit to the true nature of the enemy. There are many good and decent people of moslem background in the world. But the mohammeden religion itself was founded in violence. Mohammed was a cruel, vicious man. It is a backward, barbaric religion at war with the modern world. And we need to get over our politically correct squeemishness, and admit the truth.
3 posted on 10/01/2001 4:44:32 AM PDT by Robert-J
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To: OWK
OWK, you're strange. You support evolution and attempt to attack religion, primarily Christianity. But you have become a defender of islam, the most anti-modern religion in existence today.
4 posted on 10/01/2001 4:45:44 AM PDT by Robert-J
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To: OWK
Maybe not in theory, but certainly in practice. No significant civilization has emerged in the absence of a guiding religion. And the prime shaper of that civilization has been its religion.
5 posted on 10/01/2001 4:46:50 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Robert-J
It's very possible that these attacks won't allow us any more wiggle room. PC may spell "doom" under the rules of engagement forced on us by these extremists.
6 posted on 10/01/2001 4:47:58 AM PDT by IronJack
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True. Our basic philosophies direct how we behave. If we practice a higher religion, such as the Christianity of Jesus or Judaism, we are inspired to behave in a higher manner. If we practice a barbaric religion such as islam, or some of the crude forms of Christianity, then we become barbaric. If evolution and agnosticism is our guide, we can quickly spiral downward into barbarism.
7 posted on 10/01/2001 4:50:17 AM PDT by Robert-J
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To: IronJack
Great essay. I'm still trying to get a handle on how widespread militant Islam is within the Muslim world, and if there is any hope of it decaying from within. Perhaps this virulent form of Islam will fracture the Islamic world.

Sadly, one thing that seems to be keeping the Islamic world unified is poverty. It seems that the majority of Muslims do not have access to the internet or international media. Simple exposure to the outside world could help to diminish the militancy of Islam, and even cause people to question its hegemony.

Things certainly appear bleak at the moment. But at least the WTC attack can serve as a wake-up call to the West. It certainly has for me.

8 posted on 10/01/2001 4:50:31 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: IronJack
It's very possible that these attacks won't allow us any more wiggle room. PC may spell "doom" under the rules of engagement forced on us by these extremists.

In a sense, then, we may have to go to war against political correctness to assure our own survival.

9 posted on 10/01/2001 4:52:12 AM PDT by Robert-J
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Sadly, one thing that seems to be keeping the Islamic world unified is poverty.

The West has an answer to that too.

10 posted on 10/01/2001 5:03:04 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
The West has an answer to that too.

Is there any Islamic country with free markets? Indonesia?

11 posted on 10/01/2001 5:05:17 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Robert-J
In a sense, then, we may have to go to war against political correctness to assure our own survival.

And beyond that, against the pretentious idealism that gave rise to PC in the first place, the liberal doublespeak and thought control that led us to muzzle our speech and thereby evade, rather than confront, reality.

12 posted on 10/01/2001 5:05:32 AM PDT by IronJack
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"...If Muslims elect to force the West's hand, it will eventually be to the former's doom. If this century is to be marked by religious war, it could very well mean the end of one or the other, and the West will not go gently into oblivion..."

Islam has tipped its bloodstained hand, not only by the insanity of the suicide 'pilots', but by the arrogance of both home-grown and foreign devotees of this cult of death.

The theme has been, from the beginning, an insolent (and suspicious) lack of co-operation by the adherents of this threadbare, not quite ready for prime time ‘religion’ in circumstances where co-operation would be a minimal show of good faith.

There are those for whom the pressures of politics compel at least the appearance of a generous attitude toward the muslims, and that is understood. But the man and woman on the street has the luxury of knowing, speaking and acting on truth in a more comprehensive way, and they are beginning to understand the true nature of this vile and primitive culture.

The liberals, of course, place themselves in the way, crosswise of common sense and obvious truth. That’s who they are, that’s what they do.

But I have to wonder, as they extol the virtues of Mohammed-ism, how many of them would want for their daughters to marry one of them?

This ancient test of the merit and worthiness of the alien, so scorned by liberals publicly, is often enthusiastically embraced by them behind closed doors.

And rightly so.

13 posted on 10/01/2001 5:06:06 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: OWK
Our Constitution, our entire system of laws (the most moral and ethical in the world) are founded on Christianity. Charity, at which Americans excel, is in accordance with the character of Christ. Science itself is based on the belief that the universe operates according to predictable, orderly laws established by a Creator. America abolished slavery because moral, ethical people believed that God created all men equal.
14 posted on 10/01/2001 5:09:48 AM PDT by Brute_Force
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Religion begets morality Are you sure about that one Jack?

These types of idiots we deal with that are 'terrorists' are followers of a lunatics ranting which teaches that slaughtering those who don't believe is an ok thing . Thus I agree, religion does beget the morality of these Muslims .

Cheese.

If you are going to tie Christianity into this mix let me know . I know of abortion bombers, but in no place in the NT or the OT does it tell that terrorism is an OK thing, in fact it teaches that one shouldn't murder . Though, again my view of what a follower of Christ is happens to be one which the "Christian" a relationship with Him and not so much a factor of "modern"(compromising) religion .

Evolution is a theory, some scientists are quick to point out that it's a theory and not so much fact . Some even have found how flawed it is .

Just a heads up to you OWK, you're cool, this is in no means a flame .

Cheese .

15 posted on 10/01/2001 5:11:40 AM PDT by AmericanCheeseFood
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Religion begets morality Are you sure about that one Jack?

These types of idiots we deal with that are 'terrorists' are followers of a lunatics ranting which teaches that slaughtering those who don't believe is an ok thing . Thus I agree, religion does beget the morality of these Muslims .

Cheese.

If you are going to tie Christianity into this mix let me know . I know of abortion bombers, but in no place in the NT or the OT does it tell that terrorism is an OK thing, in fact it teaches that one shouldn't murder . Though, again my view of what a follower of Christ is happens to be one which the "Christian" a relationship with Him and not so much a factor of "modern"(compromising) religion .

Evolution is a theory, some scientists are quick to point out that it's a theory and not so much fact . Some even have found how flawed it is .

Just a heads up to you OWK, you're cool, this is in no means a flame .

Cheese .

16 posted on 10/01/2001 5:11:43 AM PDT by AmericanCheeseFood
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To: DWSUWF
This ancient test...

LOL! You hit that nail on the head. Guess who's coming to dinner (and who isn't going to like the glazed ham)?

Oh, mercy...

Ed

17 posted on 10/01/2001 5:30:40 AM PDT by niteowl77
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To: IronJack
Just a few comments

Re : Western culture may have become TOO civilized to engage the eye-to-eye bloodletting necessary to prosecute this war.

Almost choked on my coffee at this comment, don’t you believe it after service in both North Ireland and Bosnia, we in the West can still indulge in a eye-to-eye bloodletting if push comes to shove or when the mood takes the fancy.

I am not a religious expert, so I cant really comment on the whether Islam is based on War and Christianity is based on peace.

I do have more than enough experience on man, mainly at his worst in many countries, and like politics any religion can be used as an excuse to engage in a little blood letting.

This thread like many others I have seen on this site are based on what is a very old formula, and that is the enemy is very ruthless therefore to be able to beat the enemy we must become as ruthless as them.

We are in fact playing into the enemies hands, by talking about a possible religious war.

If we fight the terrorists as terrorist only we will win, depending on how far we go.

Financially although it will take time the financial support needed by international terrorist networks will eventually be eliminated.

The leaders, planners, motivators recruiters, in other words what we would consider the officer cadre will be eventfully tracked down, and dealt with covertly or overtly.

Whether we like it or not Islam is here to stay, unless we are going to engage in a war to eliminate completely a sizable part of the human population.

While it may appeal to those with an adventuress streak which will see war as an exciting military adventure it will not really work, the political, military and economic effort will take its toll as will the moral degradation of are civilisation.

War does not have to be the answer, like Communism and Fascism, the more extreme Islamic faith as practised by the Taliban contains the seed of its own destruction.

What is needed is a major psyops designed against the more militant form, this will concentrate on the more authoritarian aspects of the various regimes.

There are millions of Afghanistan refugees at displacement and refugee camps many only too happy too be interviewed on the excesses of the Taliban regime.

We won the Cold War , against Communism without a major war, we can win the same war against the radical Islamic threat with a faction of the cost.

Tony

18 posted on 10/01/2001 5:39:41 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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If we practice a higher religion, such as the Christianity of Jesus or Judaism, we are inspired to behave in a higher manner.

So far there is only one highest civilisation - the one based on Christianity. The one based on pre-Talmudic Judaism was the kingdom of David and Solomon 3000 years ago.

19 posted on 10/01/2001 5:44:42 AM PDT by A. Pole
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Nice essay IJ. Testamony to the inter-twining of religion and civilization. Is it not remarkable that the advances in astronomy and particularly mathematics emanating from the middle east ceased coincident with the rise of Islam. Creativity & scientific progress wither in an environment of repressive conformity - whether political or religous. When combined in the type of theocracy seen in middle east, the fossilization of thought, becomes complete.
20 posted on 10/01/2001 6:12:38 AM PDT by Dukie
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