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Eight Challenges to James Likoudis [and other Neo-Catholics]
Catholic Insight ^ | January 2003 | THOMAS E. WOODS, JR., Ph.D.

Posted on 01/31/2003 5:43:59 AM PST by Land of the Irish

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1 posted on 01/31/2003 5:43:59 AM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Aloysius; Dajjal; Telit Likitis; ultima ratio; maximillian; Scupoli; Loyalist; Zviadist; HDMZ; ...
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2 posted on 01/31/2003 5:45:11 AM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: frozen section
http://credo.stormloader.com/Reviews/facade.htm

<> Link to the review that sent these protestants into paroxysms of palavering pugnaciousness as their pathetic program to purloin the Keys to the Kingdom was positively pulverised. Likoudis is King Arthur and they are the Black Knight...without a leg to stand on, unarmed, but, foolish enough and absurd enough to shout imprecations as the Faithful one rides off towards Rome on his galant steed<>
4 posted on 01/31/2003 12:20:12 PM PST by Catholicguy (Likoudis won't answer the clowns again. THAT is what really matters. Their widdle war is ignored)
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To: frozen section
http://credo.stormloader.com/litbook.htm

<> Link to the 1981 book that answered all their lies more'n TWO DECADES before Woods and Ferrara compiled and published their hallucinations<>
5 posted on 01/31/2003 12:24:24 PM PST by Catholicguy (Likoudis won't answer the clowns again. THAT is what really matters. Their widdle war is ignored)
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To: Catholicguy
<> It IS funny though. Woods and Ferrara really do show the schismatic mindset in action. THEY are The Magisterium and the Pope, Vatican Two, the Missa Normativa, the Curia ect ALL must answer to them.

IT is no different an orientation than that of the scores of protestants who come here demanding that we follow their peculiar, particular, and personal opinions about Scripture, Doctrine, Liturgy, Ecumenism ect. They really do think themselves the authority.

And they really do think themselves better informed about Scripture, Doctrine, Liturgy, Philospohy, Ecumenism then us poor Neo-Catholics.

They sift through old manuals, missals, maunscripts and mendaciously manufacture quibbles based upon partial quotes selected out of context to contend against the Divinely-Constituted authority and, then, if you call them what they are, protestants, they whelp like ululating Bedouin wives at the burial of their husband and demand we prove them wrong. Sheesh...they are a catty and contentious lot

It is as though Jesus never intended a Living Magisterium...No, I guess he intended a debating club where converts like Woods can castigate a brilliant Pope as though he were a toothless rube from the foothills of Pine Bluff<>

7 posted on 01/31/2003 12:39:49 PM PST by Catholicguy (Likoudis won't answer the clowns again. THAT is what really matters. Their widdle war is ignored)
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To: frozen section
<> I posted a link to a book,Ace. Those questions were answered MORE THAN 20 YEARS before this duplicitous dufus-duo put crayons to foolscap

Of course, I know you won't read it. It is Faithful to the Catholic Church. Stick with the opponents of the Pope, an Ecumenical Council and the Normative Mass. THAT is the "tradtional" Catholic way; always has been, always will be.<>

8 posted on 01/31/2003 12:44:44 PM PST by Catholicguy (Likoudis won't answer the clowns again. THAT is what really matters. Their widdle war is ignored)
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To: Land of the Irish
Excellent article. Some of these points I have not heard before and are truly shocking. Did you know Kasper is the Vatican's rep for the upcoming meeting with the Orthodox?
11 posted on 01/31/2003 7:28:51 PM PST by Scupoli
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To: Scupoli
No, I didn't know. But, in view of the current demolition in progress, it doesn't surprise me in the least.

12 posted on 01/31/2003 7:44:00 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish; frozen section
the apostate Wojtyla, both true servants of their master, satan.

HDMZ pings the three of us and he calls the Pope an Apostate and a servant of Satan...and neither of you are going to object, are you?

Mebbe it is just the case that HDMZ has the courage to speak what is in his heart - no matter how insane it is. When he pings you and you don't respond, it does leave the appearance you agree with his judgement the Pope is an apostate and a servant of Satan<>

13 posted on 02/02/2003 8:56:49 AM PST by Catholicguy (HDMZ is insane, or, at least I hope he is. I fear for his soul if he is sane and culpable)
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From the people I know who are in the SSPX, their personalities and temperments, I would say that this is a cult in the worst meaning of the word. Make 'em feel superior and more knowledgable to those still with the True Church. Keep them in line by threat of Hell, assure them that Hell is exactly where most of the people in the True Church are going and make them feel superior by keeping them in bonds to the interpretations of the few.

I have, at least, 40 cassettes that my friend has sent me from speakers in the SSPX, I have video tapes and books and she asks questions so I do read, watch and listen to them but most of the time I'm just rolling my eyes. Where I agree with them it is when they are truly in line with the Church but then there are the snide remarks stuck in there, sometimes unobtrusively, sometimes couched as humor but always there. They are brainwashed.

One of my best friends is in this movement and I really feel sorry for her. I see what it has done to her marriage and her children. Her mother is at a loss to explain what happened to her and most of her friends avoid her and she hasn't made any new ones within her new church either and she certainly hasn't made one new convert except her children over which she has direct control. This is definately proof to me that the fruits of her labor are not good.

What I find to be the saddest part of all is that it all started with the modern, liberalism that she saw in the Church. So instead of becoming an integral part of her Church, she isolated herself. She homeschooled her children in the Catechism, they went to Mass where the boys were Altar Servers, but then she segregated herself again. She taught her boys so well that when the bishop came he always requested that they serve for him because they were so proper and did everything right. So instead of trying to work within she took the easy way out. She'd never admit it out loud or maybe even consciously but it is all about her salvation and everyone else be damned.

14 posted on 02/02/2003 10:30:14 AM PST by tiki
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To: tiki
She'd never admit it out loud or maybe even consciously but it is all about her salvation and everyone else be damned.

It's not even about her salvation; it's about her fear. She'll leave the true Church and follow a guy like Williamson who admires the thinking of the Unabomber because she's vulnerable to the kind of garbage you see at the top of this thread.

Next, she'll leave the SSPX, since even this odd cult won't be pure enough for her, and she'll join the sedevacantist crowd, who call the Pope the apostate Wojtyla.

There is a conscious effort among the Catholic Caucus on Free Republic to ignore these misguided souls here, which is why you see so many of these posts intended to "bait."

Ignore, ignore, ignore.

15 posted on 02/02/2003 11:14:56 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: tiki
She'd never admit it out loud or maybe even consciously but it is all about her salvation and everyone else be damned.

I'm so glad your friend is worried about her salvation, and that of her children. Aren't you?

16 posted on 02/02/2003 11:26:19 AM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: sinkspur
There is a conscious effort among the Catholic Caucus on Free Republic to ignore these misguided souls here, which is why you see so many of these posts intended to "bait."

Ignore, ignore, ignore.

Ignore, as you have just done? Three weeks into your boycott, and you neo's are failing miserably.

Anxiously awaiting your next "ignorant" post.

17 posted on 02/02/2003 11:33:49 AM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish; ultima ratio; Francisco; HDMZ; Loyalist; Dajjal
<> Well, this has been fun...but it is getting tiresome.

The Catholic Church, with the Pope as its head on Earth, is the Body of Christ. The Holy Spirit is its soul. For some reason, your Faith has failed and you think the Holy Spirit has exited the Body and we are left with a Corpse.

That is purely a failure of your weak Faith, a failing on your part you wish to fob off onto others, especially the Pope. Grow-up and take responsibility for your actions

You folks believe in Extra Ecclesia Non Salus...well?<>

18 posted on 02/02/2003 1:15:07 PM PST by Catholicguy (Inteded for all schismatic/sedes etc. I can't remember who you all are)
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To: tiki; sinkspur; sitetest; Polycarp; BlackElk
<> Amen. It truly is a Cult and Lefebvre is the Personality around which the cult has formed. It is a classic cult.

Sinkspur is correct...more'n more are coming to similar conclusions....ignore the schism<>

19 posted on 02/02/2003 1:18:11 PM PST by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
I would not be afraid to be judged before God this minute for everything I have said on this forum.

Can you say the same?
20 posted on 02/02/2003 1:27:52 PM PST by Loyalist
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