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Diocese of Cleveland: Out and Proud
The Wanderer ^ | September 27, 2002 | From The Mail

Posted on 10/03/2002 2:55:22 PM PDT by Diago

The following appeared in "The Wanderer's" from the mail section. (This does not appear on the website, I had to type it in):

In Cleveland, which has been racked with the most damaging sex abuse scandals outside of Boston and Los Angeles, diocesan officials, including Bishop Anthony Pilla, maintain a stiff upper lip as some homosexual activists in the chancery and parishes continue to transform parishes into gay-friendly communities. Consider:

The Diocese of Cleveland's official web site (www.dioceseofcleveland.com) greets the viewer with a rainbow flag, and gay activists at the diocese's Gay and Lesbian Family Ministry (GLFM) office are way out and way proud.

One member of the GLFM recorded his experience on an area gay web site of his participation in the Cleveland Gay Pride Parade, informing, "The catholic group had a very nice sized contingent. There were a whole ton of other religious groups as well...Oh, did I mention that I am in the same video as a pornstar?!...Our table was almost across from The Grid's table, so we got to watch Matt Rush shirtless signing autographs and posing for pictures most of the afternoon. I felt so uncouth ogling a pornstar and trying to be a respectable representative of the Catholic Diocese of Cleveland...

"The Stonewall Democrats had the booth next to The Grid, and they had some mighty fine shirtless guys sitting at their table, too. After we took down our table at the pride festival, seven of us from the Catholic group went out to dinner...We also had the same waiter that we had last time...the cute one with attitude."

The author of that revealing letter is the apparent friend of Brian Halderman, a longtime gay activist of the Diocese of Cleveland who recently announced that he is joining the Society of Mary (Marianists) in Dayton.

In another Internet chat thread sent to FTM by a Cleveland reader, Halderman revealed that while a parishioner at Ascension Church (a church plagued by a number of predator priests), he was a chatechist involved in the sacramental preparation of second graders.

Reader, does all this help you understand what bishops such as Clark and Hubbard and Pilla mean by the "lay-run church.

You can contact the diocese of Cleveland toll free at 1-800-869-6525 or by e-mailing:

info@dioceseofcleveland.org


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To: .45MAN; Diago
Disgusting....e-mailed Pilla and the diocese a couple of months ago and never received a response.

Hope his feet are starting to feel a bit ***warm***...God will not be fooled.
21 posted on 10/04/2002 4:46:35 AM PDT by dansangel
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To: Diago
Some sick stuff. But they must have removed the rainbow flag; it isn't on their home page.
22 posted on 10/04/2002 9:48:55 AM PDT by workerbee
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To: NYer; Siobhan
RCF has received copies of everything. Here is another gem. Pray for Cleveland.

Letter to The Wanderer (August 22, 2002)from a self-described "charter member of Gay and Family Lesbian Ministry, Diocese of Cleveland, and a co-founder of the gay and lesbian faith-sharing community of Ascension":

With rapt attention, I read about Brian Halderman and his vocation to the congregation of the Marianists. (The Wanderer, May 20, 2002). I am a friend of Brian’s, I am a charter member of Gay and Family Lesbian Ministry, Diocese of Cleveland, and a co-founder of the gay and lesbian faith-sharing community of Ascension, known throughout the diocese as a very affirming parish. I am also a volunteer for and patron of North Coast Men’s Chorus, identified as “Gay Men’s Chorus.”

Bizarre indeed that, on the one hand, The Wanderer decries some chorus members who attended a private party dressed as clergy or religious. On the other hand, it indulges, even lionizes, the likes of Bernard Law who, in a vain effort to maintain the illusion of sanctity that once veneered e institutional Church, colluded in the felonious sexual behavior of clergymen and, in so doing, became a felon himself. The Wanderer would do well to verify its deposits because its reality checks, though intentionally infrequent, invariably bounce.

Nonetheless, The Wanderer claims incisive knowledge of the Magisterium and of disposition and conduct requisite to identify oneself Catholic. Given this knowledge and the baptisimal responsibility for combatant status in the Church Militant, I urge carpe diem. In fact, otherwise indeed is the sin of omission.

Then again, notwithstanding its being self-proclaimed champion of the Vatican, The Wanderer has an undistinguished record in effecting the official censure, let alone removal, of prelates whom it deems transgressors. After all, Roger Mahoney, Mathew Clark, and Howard Hubbard are all still ministering to their respective sees.

Either The Wanderer is not as connected as it thinks or the Vatican authority itself has been infiltrated by the liberal agenda. In either case, The Wanderer is being dissed big time, and from the main office no less.

However, I am not one to bring glad tidings bereft of hope. Since attempts at bagging big game have failed, better to get practice on more accessible varmints or critters, like me. From Honolulu to New York City, I have a paper trail of contacts with hierarchy and subordinates that provides empirical evidence of my dissent from much of the magisterial preaching and policy.

Not the least of which is the origin of my same-sex orientation. It is a gift of divine beneficence, no less in value and integrity than the sexual orientation of my heterosexual brothers and sisters in Christ. God’s other gifts of Catholic faith, of my loving and successful 20-something daughter, and of my good health have distinctive and all the more profound meaning because of God’s gift of gay orientation. Therefore, I again admonish to seize the day by bringing my name and my record of dissent to the attention of Church authority, specifically to its inveterate power to excommunicate.

Among practicing Catholics, I am about as rank and file as the Church has, and to bag small game like me is doubtless a facile matter for The Wanderer. With trophies like me, and perhaps a few more my size, The Wanderer can more confidently set its on the ouster of dissident prelates and other big game. I hasten to remind that even Christ started out lowkey. Changing water into wine at Cana much preceded raising Lazarus from the dead. While well and good The Wanderer’s ambition, mismanaged, it becomes hubris.

Kenneth DaysonLakewood, Ohio

(Editor’s Note: Kenneth Dayson should read The Wanderer more often and carefully. “Indulges” and “lionizes” are not words that come to mind as regards The Wanderer’s treatment of Cardinal Law.

As for Dayson’s alleged paper trail, we would be delighted to have him provide it to us - including names, dates, places.

Dayson is right about The Wanderer’s lack of success in persuading the Holy Sea to remove certain prelates, but to paraphrase Fox News, “The Wanderer reports; the Pope decides.”)
23 posted on 10/04/2002 1:59:18 PM PDT by Diago
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I felt so uncouth ogling a pornstar and trying to be a respectable representative of the Catholic Diocese of Cleveland...

Unbelievable. This guy should be run out of your church on a rail.

24 posted on 10/04/2002 2:25:02 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Diago
I hope this is true. I just sent an email to the Archdiocese of both Cleveland and Cincinnati.
25 posted on 10/04/2002 6:41:43 PM PDT by WriteOn
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To: Frumanchu
Amen.
26 posted on 10/04/2002 6:43:53 PM PDT by WriteOn
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To: Diago
This is disgusting.
27 posted on 10/04/2002 8:09:02 PM PDT by pray4liberty
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Ping.
28 posted on 10/04/2002 9:03:32 PM PDT by narses
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To: Diago
Please let me know more about the Marianists in Dayton. I have been sending them money for years, and was thinking about leaving a bequest for them in my will. Have they gone homo?
29 posted on 10/04/2002 9:10:46 PM PDT by Palladin
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FROM: Steering Committee

RE: Request for feedback and discernment

 

The MSJC Steering Committee considered the New Ways Ministry Statement below on lesbian/gay ministry in the Catholic church at our last meeting. 

We find the pastoral content of the statement worthwhile, and we want to spend more time ourselves discussing the content and its implications for us. For that reason we want the benefit of your feedback and dialogue. We are asking you, individually or in groups, to consider this statement – the content and its implications. We are not asking you for endorsement of New Ways Ministry as an organization; but we want to focus on the content of the statement and its implications.

 

As you consider this statement and give us your feedback in the form of comments, questions, and an exchange of ideas, give us your thoughts on: What implications do you see in this statement for the Marianist Family? What does the statement challenge us to look at within our own institutions? Should a new issue team be formed to handle this topic? If so, are you willing to serve on that issue team?

 

The Steering Committee is looking forward to your responses, by July 31, as we discuss in depth the substance of this statement and discern the actions to be taken. Please forward those exchanges via direct mail or email to Father Steve Tutas, S.M., Chair of the MSJC Steering Committee.

 

          Rev. Steve Tutas, S.M.

          Villa St. Joseph Community

          22840 Mercedes Road

          Cupertino, CA 95014-3920

          408-255-9006 FAX

          E-mail: Stutas@aol.com

 

Lesbian/Gay Ministry in the Catholic Church: A Vision for the Future

A Statement of New Ways Ministry Issued at the Fifth National Symposium
Louisville, Kentucky

March 10, 2002

As Catholics who put their faith and hope in the God Who created the world through an almighty Word, redeemed the world through the Word made flesh, and sanctified the world through tongues of fire that speak all languages, we are impelled by the Gospel to speak for justice for the gay/lesbian members of our Church. The Christian message has entered its third millennium, and yet for much of that time the needs, concerns, and gifts of lesbian/gay people have been shrouded in silence.

At the Second Vatican Council, Church leaders called Catholics to open up to the reality of the world, to respond readily to those who are oppressed and marginalized, and to speak the Gospel boldly to a world that aches for a hopeful message. As Catholics renewed by Vatican II, we have been called out of silence. We pledge our solidarity with our gay/lesbian brothers and sisters. We call upon Church leaders at all levels "to pledge to find new ways to communicate the truth of Christ" to lesbian/gay people. Specifically, we ask that:

1) The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops initiate a serious and sustained national dialogue with gay/lesbian

people. For our Church to grow in fullness, we need to hear all voices to discern the call of the Spirit. No effective pastoral ministry can take place if the Church's shepherds do not know about the painful and joyful events that lesbian/gay people experience as members of the Body of Christ. All individual bishops need to do likewise in their own dioceses.

2) Diocesan and pastoral leaders develop ministry programs for gay/lesbian people and their families

that are part of the whole fabric of the worshipping community's life. Lesbian/gay people exist everywhere, so the need for pastoral ministry programs exists in every diocese and parish. Educational programs that affirm lesbian/gay people and that eradicate fearful and prejudicial attitudes should be developed vigorously. Social and spiritual programs that explain and satisfy the human needs for relationship, friendship, intimacy, and participation need to be an integral part of pastoral ministry.

3) Theologians, bishops, and scholars devote serious time and study to the ethics of same-sex relationships.

As the world witnesses loving, devoted, and faithful same-sex couples, it is becoming increasingly obvious that scholastic answers no longer are convincing. Church theology and teaching need to engage in dialogue with the lived experience of lesbian/gay people of faith, academic disciplines, and secular cultures.

4) Religious educators, school teachers, principals, and textbook publishers develop programs and materials that

reflect accurate images of gay/lesbian people. Homosexuality can no longer be cloaked in lies, stereotypes, and jokes. Education about homosexuality should be an essential part of any curriculum that prepares students to follow Christ's command to "Love one another." We urge faculties and educational administrators to ensure that their communities are safe and supportive places for gay/lesbian young people.

5) Campus ministers, school chaplains, youth and young adult ministers foster a climate among young people

that is knowledgeable and respectful of lesbian/gay reality. Young people beginning to experience the gift of sexuality need to know that Church facilities and ministries are open to discussion about their concerns. Educational and spiritual programs on sexuality must include discussions of homosexuality, with appropriate and honest accommodations made for different age groups and maturity levels. Ministers need to lead by example so that gay/lesbian people, especially those in their midst, will be valued.

6) Pastors, principals, personnel directors and supervisors provide supportive work atmospheres so that

lesbian/gay Church personnel--clergy, lay, religious--can disclose their sexual orientations to colleagues and constituents, if they so choose. Dioceses, parishes, and other places of Church employment should adopt public policies of non-discrimination as the first step toward a supportive workplace. Within the Catholic community, visibility and self-disclosure should be the prerogative of all. Lesbian/gay people have enriched our Church's life for centuries. Our Church would be bereft without their presence.

7) Seminary rectors, formation teams, vocation directors, priests' personnel directors, vicars for religious provide educational and personal/spiritual development programs for gay/lesbian priests, religious, seminarians, and candidates. Celibacy does not negate sexuality or sexual orientation but calls for people to learn new ways of intimacy. All clergy and religious, regardless of orientation, need to be educated and sensitized to the gifts and needs of their lesbian/gay peers.

8) Pastoral counselors, therapists, confessors, and spiritual directors provide a supportive environment for people who are coming to terms with a homosexual orientation. These ministerial settings are often the first place where people speak about their homosexuality. These ministers need to exercise professionalism, integrity, and compassion, avoiding any suggestion that a gay or lesbian person is inferior or that a sexual orientation should be changed or reversed by therapy or prayer.

9) Family life ministers and pastors be attentive to the needs of parents and families of gay/lesbian people. Families are primary communities of God's love and care. Church ministers need to help families understand that while a son's or daughter's disclosure of a homosexual orientation may seem to be a time of grief, it is certainly a time of grace. Family members should be empowered to minister to one another.

10) Diocesan and parish social action directors advocate for the rights of lesbian/gay people and encourage Catholics to protect the human, civic, and baptismal equality of all. Catholic social teaching requires that the dignity of every human person be respected. All people should live free of the threat of discrimination, oppression, hatred, and violence. Gay/lesbian people must never be harmed by individuals, groups, political parties, or governments because of their sexual orientation, and their rights must be protected by law.

11) Lesbian/gay Catholics continue their ministry to one another and their prophetic ministry to the Church. We urge gay/lesbian Catholics to remain within the Church. We ask them to find Catholic communities that will sustain their faith. The Church needs their prophetic witness and challenge, as well as their struggles, joys, and gifts.

12) All Catholics and people of good will respect and celebrate the diversity of people with which God has blessed us. We encourage all to reverence the gift of sexuality that helps us share our love creatively and joyously. We recommend that all Catholic institutions make explicit welcome to gay/lesbian people. We ask lesbian/gay Catholics, as they are able, to "come out" to the Church so that we, as one Church rich in diversity, may image Christ to the world. We urge all Catholic individuals, organizations, religious communities, parishes, institutions, schools, associations, and societies to join in making this vision a reality by endorsing this statement with their names, by living the policies and principles it recommends, and by praying for a renewal of the Church.

 

 

Posted on Mon, May. 13, 2002 story:PUB_DESC
Homosexuals fear `witch hunt' in backlash of abuse scandal rocking Catholic Church
Gays defending faith and selves
Some say they've been `sacrificed' over sexual orientation

Beacon Journal staff writer
Brian Halderman plans to join the Marianist religious order -- the Society of Mary -- this summer as an openly gay man.
Brian Halderman plans to join the Marianist religious order -- the Society of Mary -- this summer as an openly gay man. "Silence is violence on this issue," said the 25-year-old Halderman, a member of Ascension Catholic Church in Cleveland.

A cloak of fear hangs over a part of the body of the Roman Catholic Church.

``They are on a witch hunt,'' said a gay priest who says Mass for a group of gay Catholics called Dignity meeting at a Congregational Church in downtown Columbus two Sunday evenings a month.

He has been a priest for 20 years. But he refuses to give his name over the phone. He refuses to even say in which diocese he serves, though diocesan officials know that he is gay and that he ministers to Dignity.

His fear is not without foundation.

The child sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church has put the issue of homosexuality in the spotlight. The most notorious of the accused abusers -- John Geoghan and Paul R. Shanley of the Boston Archdiocese -- have been gay priests charged with molesting or raping young boys.

That has drawn harsh statements from some Catholic Church leaders.

In March, Joaquin Navarro-Valls, spokesman for Pope John Paul II, questioned the ordination of gays. ``People with these inclinations just cannot be ordained,'' he told the New York Times.

Last month, Bishop Wilton Gregory, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, was widely quoted as saying that the Catholic priesthood should not be dominated by homosexual men.

Such words deeply concern gay Catholics.

``Gay priests have been carrying out the church's work for decades,'' said Marianne Duddy, executive director of Dignity USA, a national organization representing gay, lesbian and transgender Catholics. ``They've preached the Gospel, visited the sick, comforted the dying and the grieving, celebrated marriages, baptized children -- all the things faithful Catholics hope for from their pastors.

``Now, when the church faces a crisis, its leaders are willing to sacrifice these good men. How is that a Christian approach?''

Gay and Catholic

Meg Bechter, a 28-year-old Cuyahoga Falls resident, senior psychology major at the University of Akron and employee of Children's Hospital Medical Center of Akron, is a lifelong, devout Catholic, a faithful member of Immaculate Heart of Mary Church in Cuyahoga Falls. She also is a lesbian.

``The idea of a backlash against gays and lesbians because of recent events does scare me,'' she said. ``But then I think, `How much worse can it get?' ''

Though Catholic doctrine does not say that it is wrong to be a homosexual, it does say that it is a sin to engage in a homosexual relationship.

Bechter said she came to terms with her sexuality when she was being treated for depression at an area hospital several years ago.

``Oh, my God,'' she thought. ``God made me gay. I am going to embrace it.''

Bechter said she considers herself fortunate because she has a supportive family. She is also part of a diocese-sponsored support group for gays and lesbians.

She believes the clergy scandal has opened up a frank discussion about the topic of homosexuality within the church and that could lead to changes in church doctrine.

``We can't erase the shame until people start talking,'' she said. ``I hope the church will welcome and acknowledge its gay clergy, which will lead to gay clergy being able to openly minster to gay Catholics.''

Gay people, she said, ``are ordinary men and women carrying on ordinary lives.''

Unfairly labeled

One reason the issue of homosexuality in the church is so sensitive is the number of priests who are gay.

Estimates on that number range from percentages in the single digits to as high as 60 percent. Within the general population, such estimates range no higher than 10 percent.

A.W. Richard Sipe, a former priest from La Jolla, Calif., a retired therapist and the author of Sex, Priests and Power: Anatomy of a Crisis, has studied sexuality and the priesthood for 42 years. His research indicates that 30 percent of priests are likely to be homosexual.

``The gay Catholic community is rightfully indignant at some of the church's statements,'' Sipe said, ``and, in fact, a good number of good Catholic priests who are homosexual in orientation have told me how wounded they feel, that they have given their whole life to the church and have been celibate and the church labels them as intrinsically defective.''

The Rev. Donald Cozzens, a Cleveland native and the former president rector of St. Mary Seminary in Wickliffe, said the current climate makes for a difficult time for celibate gay priests.

``For the celibate gay priest today, who is paddling as hard as he can as all priests are at this painful time, the church teaches the orientation is objectively disordered and not the person,'' said Cozzens, the author of The Changing Face of the Priesthood: A Reflection on the Priest's Crisis of Soul. ``That is a hard thing for any gay person to deal with and it can be hard for a gay priest to deal with.''

Cozzens, who sets the number of gay priests at ``considerably more than 8 to 10 percent,'' thinks that good ultimately will come out of the current scandal.

``The priesthood will be healthier and purified,'' he said, ``and the church will be stronger.''

Diocesan outreach

For several years, the Cleveland Diocese has been reaching out to gays and lesbians by holding support group meetings for them, their friends and families.

Sister Rita Mary Harwood, diocese secretary for Parish Life and Development, whose office coordinates gay outreach, said the church needs to offer understanding and pastoral care to its homosexual brothers and sisters.

``The church calls all of us to live a chaste life and outside of marriage to live a celibate life,'' she said. ``And just as the church calls a heterosexual person to refrain from sexual relations outside of marriage, it also calls a homosexual person to refrain from sexual relations.

``The church calls us as a faith community to respect, compassion and sensitivity to persons with a homosexual orientation and says any discrimination in that regard is wrong.''

Harwood said there is much confusion among people in the church and elsewhere over the issue of child sexual abuse.

``It seems that people are equating that with a homosexual orientation, which is not correct,'' she said. ``The information that is available indicates it is not more likely for a homosexual person to have difficulty with sexual abuse any more than it would be for a heterosexual person.''

That confusion, she said, ``causes great concern for persons who have a homosexual orientation.''

The Rev. Norman Douglas, executive director of Heart to Heart Communications, started ministering to gays and lesbians and their families when he was pastor at St. Martha Church in Akron seven years ago.

As part of the diocesan outreach to gays, Douglas now heads support groups for families of gay Catholics.

Their main concern is that people don't confuse pedophilia or abuse of minors with homosexuality, he said.

Someone who is gay or lesbian ``is no more likely to be a pedophile than someone who is straight,'' Douglas said.

Program upsets some

But the church's outreach to gays has upset some people.

Robert Tayek, spokesman for the Cleveland Diocese, said diocesan officials received about two dozen e-mails earlier this month questioning the church's gay and lesbian outreach.

Tayek said it appeared to him that the campaign may have been orchestrated because all the e-mails had the same type of message.

``Why would the diocese be promoting gay and lesbian events when the catecism and the pope have clearly stated this is behavior not to be tolerated?'' one e-mail said. ``Why would you even post the meetings on your website.''

Tayek said the church's position on homosexuality was spelled out clearly in a 1997 statement from the National Conference of Catholic Bishops called ``Always Our Children -- A Pastoral Message to Parents of Homosexual Children.''

Though at times you may feel discouraged, hurt or angry, the statement to the parents said, ``do not walk away from your families, from the Christian community, from all those who love you. In you, God's love is revealed. You are always our children.''

Cleveland resident Brian Halderman is a faithful Catholic who plans to join the Marianist religious order -- the Society of Mary -- this summer as an openly gay man.

``Silence is violence on this issue,'' said the 25-year-old Halderman, a member of Ascension Catholic Church in Cleveland. ``Part of the body of Christ is gay, whether you like it or not.''

Halderman, who works for the Cleveland Diocese as the technology utilization manager in its secretariat for education, said he is bothered by conservative members of the church who believe gay Catholics are promoting a homosexual agenda.

``I have no other agenda than that of the gospel and my work is to build the kingdom,'' said Halderman, who is part of a Cleveland Diocese-sponsored support group for gays and lesbians.

``If we all stayed focused on loving one another and building the kingdom here on Earth, we would live in a better church and a better world.''

Jim Carney can be reached at 330-996-3576 or jcarney@thebeaconjournal.com

 

For More Information Contact:

Marianist Social Justice Collaborative
4301 Roland Avenue, Baltimore, MD 21210
Tel: 410-366-1324
FAX: 410-889-5743
Internet: dickull@aol.com

 

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30 posted on 10/05/2002 5:12:31 AM PDT by Diago
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To: Palladin
Palladin, above in post #30, is posted a Marianist Newsletter endorsing New Ways ministry. The online newsletter as seen above originally included an article about a new gay seminarian. If you visit the current version of the online newsletter, that article has since been removed. You may want to call or write the Marianists in Dayton to find out what is going on.

http://www.msjc.net/pr01.htm
31 posted on 10/05/2002 5:21:31 AM PDT by Diago
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To: WriteOn; Siobhan; Polycarp; NYer
Check out post #30.

"3) Theologians, bishops, and scholars devote serious time and study to the ethics of same-sex relationships.
As the world witnesses loving, devoted, and faithful same-sex couples, it is becoming increasingly obvious that scholastic answers no longer are convincing. Church theology and teaching need to engage in dialogue with the lived experience of lesbian/gay people of faith, academic disciplines, and secular cultures.

32 posted on 10/05/2002 5:28:25 AM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago
In same perverse, surreal way, its almost a relief to know there is a diocese in the USA far worse off on these issues than my own. Keep up the good fight.
33 posted on 10/05/2002 8:48:56 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Diago
This is very sad. As I have said on many posts, gays are welcome in the church -- if they lead chaste lives. All singles are called to chastity and because homosexuality is expressly forbidden, they must be celibate.

To be practicing gay is antithetical to church teachings and must be dealt with.

34 posted on 10/05/2002 9:29:33 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: Gophack
We are in full agreement in this matter!
35 posted on 10/05/2002 9:38:08 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: Diago
Thank you, Diago. I have a feeling I'll be severing my relationship with the Marianists. I have been using their Mass cards for years, generously donating to them. But I will not do it anymore if they are supporting gay seminarians or gay priests.
36 posted on 10/05/2002 11:28:21 AM PDT by Palladin
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To: Palladin; Siobhan; NYer; WriteOn; patent
Here is the Provincial Leadership of the Marianists in America. It may help if they hear from you (and a ping of fellow Catholics might help the cause- see post #30 for best case against the Marianists):

Provincial; Brother Stephen Glodek, SM— SMGlodek@aol.com

Assistant Provincial: Fr. James Fitz, SM— jfitz@sm-usa.org

Temporalities: Brother Richard Dix, SM— rdix@sm-usa.org

Religious Life: Fr. Timothy Dwyer, SM— tdwyer@sm-usa.org
Education: Fr. Timothy Kenney, SM— tkenney@sm-usa.org

Developing Regions: Fr. Joseph Lackner, SM— jlackner@sm-usa.org

37 posted on 10/05/2002 3:01:28 PM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago
Check out post #30.

New Ways Ministries is listed as a dissenting organization at the web site maintained by OurLady'sWarriors.

Militant advocate of homosexuality which also demands ordination and ministry for homosexuals. Primary effort is educational workshops and seminars to identify and eliminate "homophobia" in the Church. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.

38 posted on 10/05/2002 3:11:26 PM PDT by NYer
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To: workerbee
And the flag was still there:

http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/index.html

39 posted on 10/05/2002 4:21:28 PM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago
And the pink triangles:

http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/other_support/index.htm

40 posted on 10/05/2002 4:24:31 PM PDT by Diago
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