Posted on 10/06/2023 6:16:50 AM PDT by Morgana
For part 1 of our exposé, dealing with our general sense of the conference click here. For part 2, where we review a session by panelists with trans children who argue for gender affirming care, click here. For part 3, where a speaker repeatedly teaches that we must be gay affirming, click here. (on link)
Andy Stanley joined Debbie Causey for the second main session of the Unconditional conference. Causey is a pastor and the long-time Care Director at North Point Community Church. She is a board member of Renovus, an LGBTQ activist group led by her and other gay-affirming leaders within North Point church, and she recently revealed that when parents from church come to her looking for resources for their struggling and confused LGBTQ children, she recommends they attend The Christian Closet, a counseling collective where literally all the counselors and therapists are on the LGBTQ spectrum and are gay-affirming.
Rather than than give a long detailed article, this will be a brief overview of things overheard and said by Stanley. All the direct quotes are italicized.
Andy Stanley said he cried reading Debbie Causey’s book about her gay son.
He said she’s been his counselor for many years,
Stanley said he gets so much Twitter hate, which doesn’t bother him: “it doesn’t hurt my feelings, because I don’t know these people.” But he says he has a little file on his phone called ‘Andy Haters’ that he and his family read out loud and laugh at when they get together.
Stanley said he has a foster daughter that came out as gay in the ninth grade.
He had a long-time friend who loved Jesus and did not want to be gay, and so “the category was established many, many years ago that this isn’t either/ or.”
Stanley says he’s had many conversations with gay people and they were all raised in church. Says he’s grateful for his Southern Baptist heritage, but “the whole category, the whole topic is just a four word response: ‘homosexuality is a sin.” Stanley says that sort of response- ‘homosexuality is a sin’- works fine until your child comes out to you and “suddenly it’s irrelevant. And before long you realize this sentence doesn’t even make sense.”
“And I still get this constantly; ‘Andy, YES or NO?’ We had a Television network kick us off the air this year- just ‘YES or NO, is homosexuality a sin?’ I’m NOT going to answer that question!”
“We have to have new language that creates the potential for a sane, realistic dialogue” regarding homosexuality, because “until we can change the language we can’t have a conversation.“
Talking to parents at the conference who have gay children: “You had four words, homosexuality is a sin,” that’s your whole vocabulary. And then your child comes out, and you have no vocabulary to even have the conversation.” He says: “you have to throw that away- ‘homosexuality is a sin’ -because it’s irrelevant in that moment.”
References a study that says 96% of people who find themselves to be gay have prayed that God to take it away and make them straight, says those stats have a deep impact on him.
Stanley condemns evangelical and conservative churches for saying that people in the LGBTQ community are going to hell, arguing “you should do a word study on hell and realize only Jesus uses it. And he doesn’t mention any of this.”
“Our lives have naturally continued to intersect with gay kids and gay adults- the whole gamut.” Stanley says he feels “some kind of a strange way” that this is what he’s supposed to do.
In that context he reveals “I’ve never talked about this, but the challenge is I can’t make my personal thing the church thing.” He say that “there is a built in tension” and that Mohler’s article and the conference and some other things have “brought it to a head” and maybe they’re at a tipping point.
Says he’s “no martyr” and he’s not “trying to be a hero” but believes maybe he’s here “for such a time as this.“
That’s a lot to take in for now. We’ll continue the rest of his Q &A in our next article tomorrow.
Editor’s Note. We’ve been writing about North Point for a long time, documenting the theological drift of one of the largest megachurches in America, frequently with exclusive reporting. Some of the stories include:
North Point Church Is Sending Children to All-LGBTQ Therapists: We Profile One of The Counselors Celebrating Transgenderism?! North Point Church Staffers Rejoice After Man Comes Out as Woman North Point Pastor Recommends Struggling Christians Attend ‘Queer Parent Summit’ Report: North Point Church Personnel Knew ‘Lap Dance Leader’ Was Gay-Affirming+ Andy Stanley Responds
He’s a Satanist.
So he refuses to believe the Bible. Okaaay.
I visited his church once with family. It was a chaotic free-for-all. A rock floor show on the platform, complete with smoke machines and deafening definitely level. Disrespectful. People blowing noise makers (as people were being baptized).
There was an evil presence; we left early.
God designed sexuality to be between a married man and his wife for a reason. That reason? Only men and women can make children together, something two men or two women together can’t do.
Leaders of religion that pervert or ignore the whole Word of God do so at their own eternal peril. How can anyone over look what was written by the Apostle Paul in his letter to Christians in Rome? He wrote:
Romans 1:26-27
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Enough said, for now.
Gwjack
Kinda wonder how he would feel about the “Kleptomaniacs for Khrist” overseeing the offerings at his church. I think they were born that way too.
Jesus said that some things need prayer AND fasting.
A. Stanley is a lightweight, and may be in danger of the millstone treatment Avoid him at all costs.
Biologically speaking, sex is the procedure that is implemented to procreate. Any other act is not sex, but stimulation of sexual organs and mimicry.
As an extreme example, when a man has a “wetdream”, is that sex? Of course not, though the events might be similar.
The Church needs to remove all Sodomites, harlots, those who have been divorced and remarried, those who lust in their hearts. It’s time to cleanse the flock. Jesus would have cast these people from his teachings. It’s time to get back to purity. A church of those who have entered through the narrow gate and had their sins forgiven. Let the rest wallow in their sin and face an eternity of God’s hellfire. Not our problem, we’re the elect!
The Church needs to remove all Sodomites, harlots, those who have been divorced and remarried, those who lust in their hearts. It’s time to cleanse the flock. Jesus would have cast these people from his teachings. It’s time to get back to purity. A church of those who have entered through the narrow gate and had their sins forgiven. Let the rest wallow in their sin and face an eternity of God’s hellfire. Not our problem, we’re the elect!
You're a day late and a dollar short.
What you (and I and the rest of FR) need to understand is that the LGBTQ movement has taken over the church (and all major institutions in the country).
Removing all the above from the church is like removing hardline Leftist Democrats from the Deep State or DOJ or removing Wokesters from the Pentagon.
The enemy is inside the gates. Waaaaay inside.
Andy....is any sexual activity outside of a marriage a sin?
If your child grows up to be a murderer....do you still tell them it's a sin??
The dude is so lost...
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