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[Barf Alert] Boston priest claims Catholics can support ‘right to choose,’ archdiocese declines comment
Catholic News Agency ^ | August 26, 2020 | Christine Rousselle

Posted on 08/26/2020 5:46:20 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: ebb tide

No. Even in pre-Conciliar versions, Conscience was the most important teaching in the Catechism: it is that through which God speaks to you.


21 posted on 08/26/2020 7:04:58 PM PDT by MrChips ("To wisdom belongs the apprehension of eternal things." - St. Augustine)
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To: MrChips
Conscience was the most important teaching in the Catechism: it is that through which God speaks to you.

Source please. Name the catechism and the edition.

If "conscience was the most important teaching", why did God give Moses the Ten Commandments? One of which is, "Thou shallt not kill".

Every human has a conscience, including Jeffery Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, etc. Was God "speaking" to them, Mr. Chips?

22 posted on 08/26/2020 7:19:09 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Conception to natural death is quite clear.


23 posted on 08/26/2020 7:38:10 PM PDT by oldsicilian
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To: ebb tide

Utterly shameful.


24 posted on 08/26/2020 7:45:29 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: MrChips

One has a duty to inform one’s conscience by the teachings of the Faith.


25 posted on 08/26/2020 7:47:12 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: j.havenfarm

Impressed, possibly. Pleased, not!


26 posted on 08/26/2020 9:02:25 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (Politicians are not born, they are excreted. Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: MrChips
From the Catechism of Pope St. Pius X:

27 Q. Which is the noblest creature God has placed on earth? 
A. The noblest creature God has placed on earth is man.

28 Q. What is man? 
A. Man is a rational creature composed of soul and body.

29 Q. What is the soul?
A. The soul is the noblest part of man, because it is a spiritual substance, endowed with intelligence and will, capable of knowing God and of possessing Him for all eternity.

Having claiming to have taught Latin for 23 years, I would think you know the root word of "conscience" is scio which means "I know".

27 posted on 08/26/2020 9:44:25 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
You have the right to choose to keep and raise the baby or give them up for adoption to someone else.

You do not have the right to choose to kill your baby.

How hard is this to understand?

28 posted on 08/26/2020 9:47:24 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (And lead us not into hysteria, but deliver us from the handwashers. Amen!)
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To: ebb tide

Of course I know the Latin. I just don’t get your point.


29 posted on 08/27/2020 11:41:49 AM PDT by MrChips ("To wisdom belongs the apprehension of eternal things." - St. Augustine)
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To: MrChips
One might, for example, disagree with the Church on contraception or divorce or capital punishment under such parameters.

Looks here like you're defending contraception in certain cases, Mr. Chips. Do you deny it?

30 posted on 08/28/2020 11:17:22 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

I am not on trial. What I believe about each of these is irrelevant. I am referring to the beliefs of others. But you continue to miss the point.


31 posted on 08/28/2020 11:37:35 AM PDT by MrChips ("To wisdom belongs the apprehension of eternal things." - St. Augustine)
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To: MrChips
I'm not talking about what "you believe"; but I do take issue with you misleading Catholics by falsely stating:

The conscience clause in the middle of the Catechism does allow for SOME disagreement with church teaching, if done after much effort and labor and discussion and reflection and prayer. One might, for example, disagree with the Church on contraception or divorce or capital punishment under such parameters. There is more gray area in the Catechism than one might think.

Why have a catechism, the Ten Commandments, or even a Catholic Church when there are gray areas that one is free to disagree with?

32 posted on 08/28/2020 2:20:23 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Actually, you were referring to what I believe. But, no matter. As for your current, quite un-Christian insult, I am simply quoting a very conservative priest with whom I had many conversations about the catechism at my conversion. Life is not all black and white. Good day.


33 posted on 08/28/2020 3:02:07 PM PDT by MrChips ("To wisdom belongs the apprehension of eternal things." - St. Augustine)
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To: MrChips

So you were quoting a questionable priest, not the catechism, like you claimed to have done.


34 posted on 08/28/2020 3:27:52 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: MrChips
Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2370: In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil: Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.

35 posted on 08/28/2020 4:00:37 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: MrChips
Actually, you were referring to what I believe.

Ok, you admitted that's what you believe and that includes, "One might, for example, disagree with the Church on contraception..."

There's a word for "catholics" that disagree with the Church and it also applies to Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi.

36 posted on 08/28/2020 4:14:04 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Looks like we here have a lad who could profit from some time in a Trappist monastery.


37 posted on 08/28/2020 4:17:53 PM PDT by Robwin ( very)
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To: Robwin

Yes, it does; or at least find an orthodox Catholic confessor for him.


38 posted on 08/28/2020 4:44:43 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

You continue to misconstrue my words, and miss my point entirely. This conversation is a an end. Good day, sir.


39 posted on 08/28/2020 8:06:39 PM PDT by MrChips ("To wisdom belongs the apprehension of eternal things." - St. Augustine)
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To: MrChips

I’m quoting your words verbatim.

There is no gray area on contraception in any catholic catechism which you falsely claimed.


40 posted on 08/28/2020 8:18:09 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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