Posted on 11/15/2019 6:36:46 PM PST by marshmallow
Against the Church yes.... Against the Roman sect not so much....it’s looking more and more like the gates of hell have won there. The question is how many will unwittingly follow their apostate leadership down the path
In a disposable cup that I failed to recycle (but recycled the straw), and increased my carbon footprint by not choosing an energy supplier that generated most of its power from renewable sources, and bought a fur coat for my girl friend.
The structure makes it practically impossible to remove him; the “rank and file” have been softened up for this moment for years, and the numbers have dwindled in response. The faithful at this point have little in common with the leadership, or even their local priests; Red Frankie is echoing the softball nonsense preached from American pulpits for decades. No hurt feelings and such; who will protest against “taking care of the Earth”?
The hierarchy has succeeded in making the Church irrelevant to 99% of the population.
The hierarchy has succeeded in making the Church irrelevant to 99% of the population.
They built their faith on man, not God. Now what are they going to do about it?
You seem to have a special form of misunderstanding on this issue and others.
Paul was clear in the passages from Galatians that I posted to you earlier about an "angel from heaven" preaching a gospel contrary to what he and others had preached to the Galatians.
Wearing a man-made piece of cloth to avoid the eternal fire, IF they do certain things, is contrary to the gospel Paul and the others preached.
Do we have record anywhere of Mary, while she was alive and on earth, ever telling believers of her Son to be "devoted" to her or to build churches in her honor? No.
Do we have record of her ever telling believers to wear a man-made piece of cloth so they would avoid the eternal fire while she was here on earth? NO.
Do we have record in the New Testament of anyone praying TO Mary....or trusting in her protection? No.
Do we have record of her ever telling people secrets to be revealed only at a very later date? No.
These are all positions of Roman Catholicism.....not Christianity.
This is why we consult Scripture to confirm or deny the accuracy or falseness of any message from any apparition or any person.
Scripture is the only infallible, God inspired writings a believer has to assess the message's accuracy. Hence the reason for "sola scriptura".
Recall also that Satan can masquerade as an angel of light in an effort to try and deceive the believer.
For those wearing the Brown Scapular he's already won that battle.
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Do you believe in the "apparition" of the angel Gabriel at the Annunication to Mary?
No...I believe in Christ. I recognize Gabriel a a legitimate angel from God. He's not an apparition. Why? It's recorded in Scripture.
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Do you believe in the apparitions of Moses and Elias at Christ's Transfiguration?
I believe in Christ. I recognize what happened at the Transfiguration as legitimate. Moses and Elias are not apparitions. Why? Because it is recorded in Scripture.
The hero of the protestants, Martin Luther, even stated he wrestled with the devil and threw an inkwell at him.
Very possible Luther did wrestle with the enemy as he was about to expose a lot of the false teachings of the enemy.
Paul noted this struggle.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12 NASB
Too bad the devil won that wrestling match.
No, but he is winning a lot of other matches right now.
He's already defeated the person who wears the Brown Scapular. Why? He's convinced that person to believe in a man-made piece of cloth to keep them from the eternal fire over the words of the Son of God.
Think about that for a moment.
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He isn’t the first bad pope, but he is the first one to deal with such an ignorant flock; they haven’t been taught the True Faith in decades. Much of the clergy has been purged of good men/leaders, and only with the recent child rape scandals is it becoming just how far this has gone. Former seminarians have made it clear - they were hounded out of the seminaries for NOT being homosexuals.
When the first wave of this scandal broke in 2002, people blamed a few “bad apples” and believed the hierarchy was sincere in the steps they outlined to address it. In the recent Act II, the people realized the “watchers” were in league with the perps (they were often one and the same); the most visible leader of the American Church (the Washington DC Cardinal) has been laicized.
Now we know that the bad apples are everywhere; the secular authorities in Pennsylvania openly stated the Church has a homosexual priest problem.
What about them? You really seem to have a thing for Luther.
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I find it interesting that the Blessed Mother appeared only to Catholics or those willing to accept Her messages and become Catholics.
I find it interesting the apparition claiming to be Mary has appeared only to certain Roman Catholics.
It is also interesting how many have fallen for the false messages of these apparitions over the clear teachings of Scripture.
Not that broadly in RC theology, as the novel and unScriptural promise of ensured perpetual papal infallibility of office is only said to apply when the pope speaks ex cathedra, "from the throne," — that is, when in the exercise of his office as pastor and teacher of all Christians he defines, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, then he is said to teach infallibly. (Vatican I, Chapter 4. 1870; https://www.papalencyclicals.net/councils/ecum20.htm
However, the reasons given in a dogmatic definition are not themselves considered to be protected from error.
The Pope can define such even without the Bishops.
The bishops gathered together can also, together with the pope, teaching binding doctrines on faith and morals for the whole church. Catholic are sppsd to render sacred/theological assent, the assent of faith to all teachings of this infallible magisterial class. One who doubts these is said to fall into heresy.
In addition, ordinary/ religious submission of will and intellect assent is required of non-infallible teachings of the ordinary magisterium. This forbids public contradiction of the teaching. Some define 3 or 4 magisterial levels of teaching. (cf. CCC 891,892; http://www.catholicplanet.com/TSM/assent-dissent.htm; http://www.ewtn.com/library/scriptur/4levels.txt
Theologians distinguish three classes of revealed truths: truths formally and explicitly revealed; truths revealed formally, but only implicitly; and truths only virtually revealed. (Catholic Encyclopedia > Dogma)
No doctrine is understood as defined infallibly unless this is manifestly evident. Code of Canon Law 749 http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2H.HTM
However, just what "manifest" means is subject to debate, and as there no infallible list of all infallible teachings and to what magisterial level each teaching falls under, then thus there is debate concerning such, as well as their meaning (varying in scope and degrees).
And trying to ascertain which teachings require full assent, and the kind thereof can be exasperating. As a poster on a RC forum dealing with this expressed:
rrr1213: Boy. No disrespect intended…and I mean that honestly…but my head spins trying to comprehend the various classifications of Catholic teaching and the respective degrees of certainty attached thereto. I suspect that the average Catholic doesn’t trouble himself with such questions, but as to those who do (and us poor Protestants who are trying to get a grip on Catholic teaching) it sounds like an almost impossible task.
But the solution (before Francis at least) he was given was just obey everything:
Well, the question pertained to theology. The Catholic faithful don’t need to know any of this stuff to be faithful Catholics, so you are confusing theology with praxis.
Praxis is quite simple for faithful Catholics: give your religious assent of intellect and will to Catholic doctrine, whether it is infallible or not. That’s what our Dogmatic Constitution on the Church demands, that’s what the Code of Canon Laws demand, and that is what the Catechism itself demands. Heb 13:17 teaches us to “obey your leaders and submit to them.” This submission is not contingent upon inerrancy or infallibility. - https://forums.catholic.com/t/catechism-infallible/55096/31
With Obama, he couldn’t be president if we — collectively — didn’t vote for him.
Unfortunately, the Catholic laity don’t get to vote for the Pope, or the Cardinals, Archbishops, Bishops, Monsignors, or even priests.
I taught kid’s catechism for many years. I would not teach this crap. They already get their daily propaganda from the government school—for 12 years!
Question for you... When will you wake up and demand the Anti-Western Atheism taught in schools today be stopped?
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Fair point, this disease has spread to all of out institutions like a virulent cancer.
Bet he didn’t even consider adding planned baby parts.
It’s very interesting how you seem to think that fighting against the devil is a BAD thing.
Actually, “No”, Catholics are never bound to follow after apostasy, in any form— by any human word, writing or deed. Catholics are well defended in the “consistent” Magisterium of the Ages, and not one aberrant and contrarian Magisterium of Bergoglio.
He and all that is issued from him is busy defying all that is holy— Truth, Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, the Holy Sacraments, Holy Mother Church, Faith.
Popester has left the Church. He has Excommunicated himself.
The Church remains intact and shall always be, but as a remnant, come what may.
Actually, “No”, Catholics are never bound to follow after apostasy, in any form— by any human word, writing or deed. Catholics are well defended in the “consistent” Magisterium of the Ages, and not one aberrant and contrarian Magisterium of Bergoglio.
He and all that is issued from him is busy defying all that is holy— Truth, Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, the Holy Sacraments, Holy Mother Church, Faith.
Popester has left the Church. He has Excommunicated himself.
The Church remains intact and shall always be, but as a remnant, come what may.
You don’t know what I think. But thanks for trying.
Battery running down. Sorry about double post.
That’s why I used the word ‘seem.’ IE: That’s what your comments look like.
And I still think it’s interesting how you SEEM to think that fighting against the devil is a bad thing.
But for the fact that the “consistent” magisterium is not consistent.
Reading history, we find that the ancient teachers of the church taught very different things than current day Catholicism does.
We are at least in agreement that this Pope is not a follower of Christ.
Idk exactly what other differences you’re referring to, but you’re certainly right about some major Tom-quackery going on and leading up to and including the disastrous Vatican II.
It took plenty of nefarious activity to ever get to the point of even justifying a call to VII. It’s results were increasingly and methodically a slow walk to crushing Catholic identity, in a form of protestant actions taken against Tradition and tradition.
Now, in the USA & the West, we’re reduced technically speaking, to behaving largely as one more denomination, which I assume was the goal of VII.
Can’t have that old “peculiar” look running around in Secular world America. Goofy Cardinales got to looking at *appearances* or something, wanting to be more acceptable to man than to the ancient Church of the apostles.. Just my humble opinion.
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