Your recollection appears faulty.
Posted on 12/19/2018 2:51:31 PM PST by metmom
From the beginning, man has been finding ways to pervert the good things of God. Do our failings make those things any less good or any less true?
Perhaps you, like me, believe in the doctrine of election but, you don't like what some believers do with it.
metmom, really, again? As a whole?
Do you know who started Evangelism Explosion? Why, none other that the "aloof, unapproachable" Dr. D. James Kennedy (a Calvinist). And what about the teachings of Dr. R. C. Sproul and Ligonier Ministries?
Your ping list includes many of these "aloof, unapproachable people," yet you continue to misrepresent us on this site. I'm sorry you have had bad experience in your personal life with those who claim to be Calvinists, but frankly, this is one bias of yours that I take as a personal offense.
Finally, your bad interactions with these people should not discredit their theology any more than bad behaving Christians discredit the teaching of Christ.
+1 to all of that.
that's not what he said....
he did not suggest to do good "work"....
he suggested STOP SINNING....
the worse people I know talk a good Jesus....claim they're "saved" but in reality are the biggest liars and cheats around...vindictive and hateful..
but you go on believing that if you say you believe in Jesus then your whoring and porn addiction and your drunkenness don't mean a thing..
.infact, sin more.....
I recall all those Bible belt good ol'boy Christians in the south voting for Bubba, because as you know, ones' actions are meaningless, even if you're a high end grifter and rapist....
Your recollection appears faulty.
“However, the problem I see with the election folks, is a lack of evangelism or apparent concern for the lost.”
Excuse me?
I don’t believe that God chooses to save only a few people.
His call is for all men everywhere to repent, that He is not willing that ANY should perish but all come to repentance, that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.
But men love their sin too much to respond to His call and prompting.
Some respond, most don’t.
So I think in one sense, God chose to save those whom He foreknew would respond as opposed to condemning them with the rest of humanity, like they deserve, but but I don’t believe He picks and chooses based on some criteria that only He can fathom, and tough luck for the rest of them.
He really messed up with this lady.
How is God’s foreknowledge not a “criteria that only He can fathom”?
I know. I took EE.
I’m just telling you about the people I have personally met face to face in my life, people I worked with and for and I never knew they were Christians. For YEARS. That’s my experience, and again, it isn’t all.
I’m sorry that they leave a black mark on the face of Calvinism, but that is what I encountered.
Maybe it was just the area I grew up in.
For the most part, I don’t have problems with their theology. I find it to be pretty solid and enjoy the teaching.
You should not take offense as if I am painting you that way. Since you are different, then it doesn’t include you.
Of course, being told they are a bunch of jerks can make them aloof. 😉
The Calvinists I knew did NOT share the gospel with me. I never found out they claimed to be Christian until well after I got saved.
I have actually read that when somehow sharing Christ with people you cannot tell them that Christ died for them because we don’t know who the elect are who Christ died for. Just somehow mention Jesus and if they are meant to be saved, they’ll get it.
It was a long time ago and I could not tell you who wrote that. I wish I could remember so I could point others to it.
The Calvinists I knew did NOT share the gospel with me. I never found out they claimed to be Christian until well after I got saved.
I have actually read that when somehow sharing Christ with people you cannot tell them that Christ died for them because we don’t know who the elect are who Christ died for. Just somehow mention Jesus and if they are meant to be saved, they’ll get it.
It was a long time ago and I could not tell you who wrote that. I wish I could remember so I could point others to it. I have searched for it but the search led nowhere.
Sorry for the double post.
Don’t know how that happened.
In all reality, can any Christian tell a nonbeliever that Jesus died for them? Jesus died for those who believe. If he died for everyone then a lot of his blood was spilled for no reason. Every drop was effectual for those he died for.
I do share the redemptive work of Christ. And I can, and have, and will continue to do so without telling someone that Jesus died for them.
Take that plank out of your eye hypocrite. You’ve got a lot of nerve posting lies, false witness, and discord about people you don’t even know - “Christian” (yes I use that term very loosely with you).
Proverbs 6:16-19
What gospel do you claim SAVES people?
You say stop sinning right? Somebody needs to read their Bible again....many times. You just committed several sins in your post to me.
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Not surprising at all!
And if you believe everyone makes their own decision, then you must believe some souls are in hell simply because they weren't evangelized enough to come to the right decision. Then, you must wonder how many of those souls could have been saved if you'd seized your opportunity to witness to them, rather than blowing it off.
Then you have to wonder why everyone you share the gospel with isn't saved. It must be that you are not sharing the right way or you haven't studied enough or you aren't dressed right. By the way you would be rather confused about the idea that some people are "swine" and not worth any effort because they will only trample your pearls and turn and rend you.
Or, perhaps it's not me, it's them! Maybe they're too stupid or too proud to know a good deal when they see it. I don't mean to boast but, hey, I'm saved and they're not, right?? /s
"Thank you Lord that I'm not like other men."
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