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Thoughts About John Allen Chau's Death - Ask Pastor Tim
I'll Be Honest ^ | 11/30/18 | Gerard Perry

Posted on 11/30/2018 11:49:12 AM PST by OddLane

What are Christians to make of the recent controversy regarding the death of John Allen Chau? Should we look down on him as one guilty of foolish presumption, or commend him as one who it appears trusted God and gave his life for the sake of Christ?


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Evangelical Christian
KEYWORDS: evangelism; india; johnallenchau; johnchau; northsentinelisland; sentinelisland
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1 posted on 11/30/2018 11:49:12 AM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

You can’t convert anyone if you’re dead.


2 posted on 11/30/2018 11:54:02 AM PST by myerson
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To: OddLane

There have been a few threads on this story here.

On the one hand, he wanted to spread the Gospel. On the other hand , he was going to visit people who were known to be violent to outsiders. And with such hostility, likely not open at all to hearing anything about Christ.


3 posted on 11/30/2018 11:54:41 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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You can’t convert anyone if you’re dead.

Or speak the language. Or know the customs.

4 posted on 11/30/2018 11:55:07 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: OddLane

If he thought that trusting God would protect him from getting killed by the most xenophobic tribe on Earth then it was foolish presumption. If he knew that he was taking a great risk and might die then it wasn’t presumption.


5 posted on 11/30/2018 11:55:24 AM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: OddLane

FTC

Also to be considered a martyr, you would have had to been killed because of your message of Christ ...he was not killed for that...they never understood his message...they had NO IDEA WHAT he was saying...he was killed for criminal trespass (which calls for death sentence in their land)...


6 posted on 11/30/2018 11:55:36 AM PST by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: OddLane

God helps those who help themselves.


7 posted on 11/30/2018 11:56:45 AM PST by j. earl carter
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To: DoodleDawg

He could have instead preached in our own ghetto areas.

If he just wanted martyrdom, preach to Muslims.


8 posted on 11/30/2018 11:57:47 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: OddLane

I wonder how many martyrs of old were idiots?


9 posted on 11/30/2018 12:03:47 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: OddLane

Early Christians found out about that very same way except they got eaten.


10 posted on 11/30/2018 12:10:28 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: myerson

Steven converted Paul. I know God had foreseen and predestined. The Aucas became Christian. I predict that one of that tribe will be brought in to the Truth. I think Chau acted ignorantly. I would have begged him to change his approach.


11 posted on 11/30/2018 12:12:09 PM PST by KDF48 (Redeemed by Christ.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Conway addresses this point in the video.


12 posted on 11/30/2018 12:20:08 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Ironically Jesus walked right up to his captors who would have him killed. Paul stayed a prisoner and had his head removed. Virtually all of the disciples were martyrs. Richard Wurmbrand could have just kept his mouth shut and lived happily ever after. The Christians in Rome could have just walked away from the coliseum.


13 posted on 11/30/2018 12:34:47 PM PST by russdawg
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To: OddLane

Besides, you don’t even have to go there and save them. They’re just primitive Savages, they get covered under that ignorance clause. Kind of the same way children do. You don’t go to hell until you’ve heard of and rejected Jesus.


14 posted on 11/30/2018 12:37:42 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: OddLane

Send them some blankets


15 posted on 11/30/2018 12:38:08 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: russdawg
Tortured For Christ
16 posted on 11/30/2018 12:42:58 PM PST by OddLane
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Seems to me that all the complaints about him presume that it is a terrible tragedy for him to lose his life. And it is indeed if Christianity is a lie. If however it is God’s truth, then no doubt he now walks in white.

Different for a married man, who must consider his attachments and responsibilities to others.

For to me to live is Christ, and to die...”well that is even better!”


17 posted on 11/30/2018 12:45:57 PM PST by BDParrish (One representative for every 30,000 persons!)
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To: OddLane

Exactly! hard to see earthly value in giving up your life. Hurts to see this young man being raked over the coals. i do understand that not everyone sees what I see as valuable. so his actions may not make sense to everyone.


18 posted on 11/30/2018 12:48:57 PM PST by russdawg
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To: OddLane

If God had truly sent him to these people:
1- he would have been successful
2- he would still be alive

Sometimes people get a little full of themselves in proclaiming that “God has sent them” to do this or that. Of those I have heard talk about being called to the ministry, they spoke of resisting the call for some time and were finally compelled to answer the call because they were not allowed to be at peace until they submitted. My father was a minister, but I never felt called.


19 posted on 11/30/2018 12:54:45 PM PST by RatRipper (The Democrat Party is the party of liars, swindlers, cheats and unbridled immorality.)
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To: OddLane

He probably did not convert any of the islander (at the time). The news of his death went worldwide. He has given strength to many Muslims and Hindus who have wanted to convert to Christianity. We have no idea how many thousands or more he has reached.

People have converted simply from having dreams where Jesus came to them.

Men without the Spirit will not see this. He did not die in vain.


20 posted on 11/30/2018 12:57:10 PM PST by Cold Heart
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