Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Does purgatory deny the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice?
CARM ^ | 12/05/08 | Matt Slick

Posted on 11/05/2018 6:07:05 PM PST by Gamecock

According to the Handbook for Today's Catholic, page 47,

"If you die in the love of God but possess any stains of sin, such stains are cleansed away in a purifying process called Purgatory. These stains of sin are primarily the temporal punishment due to venial or mortal sins already forgiven but for which sufficient penance was not done during your lifetime."

The Catholic Catechism, paragraph 1030, says that Purgatory is for "All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation, but after death, they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven."

Among the many doctrines that Catholicism claims to be derived through Sacred Tradition, Purgatory is one of the most interesting and puzzling, particularly to a Protestant. In light of the Pauline doctrine of justification by grace through faith, how is it possible that an afterlife cleansing through punishment is necessary for a Christian who has trusted in Jesus to cleanse him from all His sins? Wasn't Jesus' punishment for our transgressions sufficient? Didn't He take our place in that He suffered our death? It would seem that the words of Christ, "It is finished," (John 19:30) do not mean that the cleansing of our souls was completed on the cross.

Of course, Roman Catholic doctrine states that eternal life is bestowed upon the one who receives baptism (Catechism, par. 1265 - 1266, 1992). It is the stains of the sins committed after baptism and not removed through penance, good works, prayers, the Mass, etc., that are removed in the fires of Purgatory (Handbook for Today's Catholic, page 47).

In light of the doctrine of justification by faith (Rom. 5:1; Rom. 4:5; Rom. 9:30; Acts 13:39; Gal. 2:16), where Jesus bore all of our sins, Purgatory would seem to have no theologically justifiable right to exist. But the Bible alone is not appealed to by Catholic theologians in support of Purgatory. By far, the main support for Purgatory is found in the Catholic doctrine of Sacred Tradition. Nevertheless, what does the Bible say about justification, punishment, and our sins?

What is justification by faith?

To justify means acquit, declare righteous, the opposite of condemn. It means to be not guilty of breaking the Law and to be deemed righteous by the standard of the Law.

God gave the Law, i.e, the Ten Commandments. The Law is a reflection of God's character and it is a perfect standard of righteousness which no one can keep. Since no one is able to keep God's Law, no one can be justified by the Law (Rom. 3:20). There is, therefore, none righteous (Rom. 3:10-12). This is the problem of all people. We have all broken God's Law and are in need of justification, of being declared righteous in God's sight. This can only be done through the Messiah, our sin-bearer.

Jesus is the one who took our place on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24), became sin on our behalf (2 Cor. 5:21), and turned away the wrath of God from us (Rom. 5:9) by being a propitiation (1 John 2:2) that turned away the wrath of God. He was punished in our place. Therefore, Jesus was our substitution. The righteous work of Christ is imputed to the believer by grace (Titus 3:7) and through faith (Rom. 5:1). This justification is a legal action on the part of God reckoning the believer as having satisfied the Law -- all of the Law.

It necessarily follows that to be justified in God's eyes, is to be fully justified. It is not part of the Law that must be satisfied, but all of it. Perfection is the standard. Likewise, it is not part of our sins that were borne by Christ, but all of them. This justification includes all of the sins of the believer (past, present, and future) or else we could not be justified.

What does the Catholic Catechism Say? The Catholic Catechism (paragraphs 1990-1992) says,

"Justification detaches man from sin which contradicts the love of God, and purifies his heart of sin. Justification follows upon God's merciful initiative of offering forgiveness. It reconciles man with God. It frees from the enslavement to sin, and it heals"...."Justification is at the same time the acceptance of God's righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ..." and "...justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy."

Of particular interest is the reference that "justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith." There are many verses in the Bible that deal with baptism and putting on Christ (Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:1-11). This paper is not intended to discuss the nature of baptism. Nevertheless, I strongly affirm that baptism is a covenant sign for the believer who is already justified by faith and for the children of believers who are under the covenant headship of the family. Baptism is not what justifies a person. Rather,

Justification is a gift by His grace through Jesus (Rom. 3:24) Justification is by grace (Titus 3:7) Justification is by faith (Rom. 3:28; 5:1; Gal. 3:24) Justification is by Jesus' blood (Rom. 5:9). Justification is in the name of the Lord Jesus (1 Cor. 6:11). Justification is not equated with baptism, but with grace, faith, and the blood of Jesus. Jesus said, "It is finished," (John 19:30) Jesus bore our sins in His body, paid the penalty for them, and died. He said, "It is finished." In Greek, the phrase, "It is finished" is one word, tetelestai. In ancient Greek papyri texts that were receipts for taxes, when a debt was paid in full, the word tetelestai was written on the document. This meant that the debt had been paid in full. In other words, Jesus had finished the work of atonement. But not only atonement (to make amends, to make right), but also of propitiation (turning away God's wrath). He had fully paid the debt invoked by the sinner. There was nothing more to be done... It was finished.

Yet, the doctrine of Purgatory, in effect, is saying that we must suffer in Purgatory for sins not covered by baptism and not covered by the cross. It is to say that the work of Christ is not finished and that there are things we must do to complete the sacrificial, cleansing work of Christ. This amounts to earning heaven by our good works, albeit a work of suffering. Additionally, the doctrine of Purgatory implies that a person must atone for his own sins. It implies that the person must do more than what the Law of God requires of him. This is called supererogation.

When Jesus said, "It is finished," all that was necessary for the atonement was concluded and all in Christ were justified. We cannot complete or add to Christ's work through our suffering. Purgatory is not only unnecessary but also it contradicts God's Word.


TOPICS: Apologetics
KEYWORDS: tickytackytrolling
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 141-160 next last
To: Iscool

Sometimes ‘less IS more’

Beautiful and true.


81 posted on 11/06/2018 4:13:52 AM PST by RevelationDavid (Jesus First, no matter the cost.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

To: metmom

If catholics were truly interested in what the Bible says about anything, there wouldn’t be any catholics.

Sadly, we seeing the formation of the one world religion spoken of in revelation.


82 posted on 11/06/2018 4:24:30 AM PST by Bulwyf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: aMorePerfectUnion
"No purgatory in Scripture placemarker."

Only because the "Reformists" eviscerated the Biblical canon.

83 posted on 11/06/2018 4:52:57 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Wonder Warthog

Your statement is incorrect.

Rome itself did not include the false book Maccabees until 1,400 years after Christ.

Christ didn’t accept it ever.

The Jews didn’t accept it.

Maccabees contains a huge falsehood about paying for sins with money.

Offering and worshiping for the forgiveness of sins:

“after this he took a collection from them individually, amounting to nearly two thousand drachmas, and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered, an action altogether fine and noble, prompted by his belief in the resurrection. For had he not expected the fallen to rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead, whereas if he had in view the splendid recompense reserved for those who make a pious end, the thought was holy and devout. Hence, he had this expiatory sacrifice offered for the dead, so that they might be released from their sin.”

(2Maccabbees 12.43-45).

As such it contradicts the inspired Scriptures, which teaches sin is forgiven entirely through accepting the sacrifice of Christ alone - apart from works and rituals.


84 posted on 11/06/2018 5:13:27 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]

To: Petrosius
"Are you clean of all sin and of all inclination of sin? Will your faith keep you from ever sinning in the future?"

While we live the regenerate are engaged in a continual process of sanctification. After we dies, yes, we are removed of all inclination to sin and will not sin in the future. No need for the mythical "purgatory".

85 posted on 11/06/2018 5:34:01 AM PST by circlecity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: Wonder Warthog
Only because the "Reformists" eviscerated the Biblical canon.

Not true...The Reformists eviscerated only the 'Catholic' bible canon which was produced down there in Africa hundreds of years after the biblical church was spreading the Good News and winning souls for Jesus thru out the known world...
The Reformists went back to the Jewish bible which was produced in the Holy Land which is the bible used by the Apostles and PolyCarp and ultimately millions of pre- and anti- catholic Christians; those who were labeled as Catholic rejecting heretics for refusing to bow down to the Catholic Religion and it's phony priesthood...

86 posted on 11/06/2018 5:43:15 AM PST by Iscool
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]

To: RitaOK
Which came first? The Catholic Church? Or, the Catholic Holy Bible?

Irrelevant.

SCRIPTURE came first.

87 posted on 11/06/2018 5:56:59 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: circlecity
While we live the regenerate are engaged in a continual process of sanctification. After we dies, yes, we are removed of all inclination to sin and will not sin in the future. No need for the mythical "purgatory".

That is Purgatory, where the remains of sin are purged. Peace.

88 posted on 11/06/2018 5:57:10 AM PST by Petrosius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 85 | View Replies]

To: Petrosius

So you are saying Heaven is purgatory? That’s pretty wacked.


89 posted on 11/06/2018 5:58:42 AM PST by circlecity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 88 | View Replies]

To: Bulwyf

True on both counts.


90 posted on 11/06/2018 5:59:17 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

To: Wonder Warthog; aMorePerfectUnion
Only because the "Reformists" eviscerated the Biblical canon.

Prove it.

91 posted on 11/06/2018 5:59:58 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]

To: circlecity
So you are saying Heaven is purgatory? That’s pretty wacked.

No, the final cleansing (purging) of the soul of all its inclinations toward sin before we are united with God in Heaven. Peace.

92 posted on 11/06/2018 6:02:45 AM PST by Petrosius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock

Somehow, in all this commentary
I am reminded of a wonderful book by CS Lewis

The Great Divorce

https://www.wordonfire.org/resources/article/why-you-should-read-cs-lewis-the-great-divorce/5128/

It, and Til We Have Faces are my favorite works by him

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Till_We_Have_Faces


93 posted on 11/06/2018 6:04:13 AM PST by HangnJudge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Petrosius

If purgatory is for “cleansing” then why did your church claim that paying it money would shorten the time. The church certainly cannot do anything for the dead that Christ didn’t do once and for all with the payment of his blood. It’s a fantasy created for monetary gain by the roman church.


94 posted on 11/06/2018 6:06:04 AM PST by circlecity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 92 | View Replies]

To: LukeL

“Purgatory also has a problem with the parable of the Prodigal Son.”

Maybe you missed the verse where the Prodigal’s Father says:

“EEWWWWW! I forgive him, but that boy is covered in PIG POOP! He ain’t setting foot in the house until he’s scrubbed clean - and that may take a few years! You servants take him down and wash him, feed him, get him some new clothes. I’ll give him a hug when all the stink is gone. Not before. He ain’t REALLY my son until he looks and smells like my son again.”

;>)


95 posted on 11/06/2018 6:06:45 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock

Pennance, good works, prayers and your mass can never remove the tiniest sin. Only the Bloodof Christ is sufficient and it is entirely sufficient. Your doctrine of purgatory among others makes a mockery of Christ’s sacrifice. It is beyond heresy.


96 posted on 11/06/2018 6:07:18 AM PST by Mom MD ( .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Petrosius

How about “by His stripes we are healed” We are healed by Christ’s work not our own or any time suffering in the make believe land called purgatory


97 posted on 11/06/2018 6:10:24 AM PST by Mom MD ( .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: RitaOK

If you are scriptural please post the verses here and now


98 posted on 11/06/2018 6:12:43 AM PST by Mom MD ( .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Petrosius

The apostles would not recognize the Roman sect of today and would flee from its many heresies


99 posted on 11/06/2018 6:15:19 AM PST by Mom MD ( .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Mom MD

Sufficiency of Christ Placemarker


100 posted on 11/06/2018 6:24:10 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 99 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 141-160 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson