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Does purgatory deny the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice?
CARM ^ | 12/05/08 | Matt Slick

Posted on 11/05/2018 6:07:05 PM PST by Gamecock

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To: Iscool

Sometimes ‘less IS more’

Beautiful and true.


81 posted on 11/06/2018 4:13:52 AM PST by RevelationDavid (Jesus First, no matter the cost.)
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To: metmom

If catholics were truly interested in what the Bible says about anything, there wouldn’t be any catholics.

Sadly, we seeing the formation of the one world religion spoken of in revelation.


82 posted on 11/06/2018 4:24:30 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
"No purgatory in Scripture placemarker."

Only because the "Reformists" eviscerated the Biblical canon.

83 posted on 11/06/2018 4:52:57 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Your statement is incorrect.

Rome itself did not include the false book Maccabees until 1,400 years after Christ.

Christ didn’t accept it ever.

The Jews didn’t accept it.

Maccabees contains a huge falsehood about paying for sins with money.

Offering and worshiping for the forgiveness of sins:

“after this he took a collection from them individually, amounting to nearly two thousand drachmas, and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered, an action altogether fine and noble, prompted by his belief in the resurrection. For had he not expected the fallen to rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead, whereas if he had in view the splendid recompense reserved for those who make a pious end, the thought was holy and devout. Hence, he had this expiatory sacrifice offered for the dead, so that they might be released from their sin.”

(2Maccabbees 12.43-45).

As such it contradicts the inspired Scriptures, which teaches sin is forgiven entirely through accepting the sacrifice of Christ alone - apart from works and rituals.


84 posted on 11/06/2018 5:13:27 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Petrosius
"Are you clean of all sin and of all inclination of sin? Will your faith keep you from ever sinning in the future?"

While we live the regenerate are engaged in a continual process of sanctification. After we dies, yes, we are removed of all inclination to sin and will not sin in the future. No need for the mythical "purgatory".

85 posted on 11/06/2018 5:34:01 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Wonder Warthog
Only because the "Reformists" eviscerated the Biblical canon.

Not true...The Reformists eviscerated only the 'Catholic' bible canon which was produced down there in Africa hundreds of years after the biblical church was spreading the Good News and winning souls for Jesus thru out the known world...
The Reformists went back to the Jewish bible which was produced in the Holy Land which is the bible used by the Apostles and PolyCarp and ultimately millions of pre- and anti- catholic Christians; those who were labeled as Catholic rejecting heretics for refusing to bow down to the Catholic Religion and it's phony priesthood...

86 posted on 11/06/2018 5:43:15 AM PST by Iscool
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To: RitaOK
Which came first? The Catholic Church? Or, the Catholic Holy Bible?

Irrelevant.

SCRIPTURE came first.

87 posted on 11/06/2018 5:56:59 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: circlecity
While we live the regenerate are engaged in a continual process of sanctification. After we dies, yes, we are removed of all inclination to sin and will not sin in the future. No need for the mythical "purgatory".

That is Purgatory, where the remains of sin are purged. Peace.

88 posted on 11/06/2018 5:57:10 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

So you are saying Heaven is purgatory? That’s pretty wacked.


89 posted on 11/06/2018 5:58:42 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Bulwyf

True on both counts.


90 posted on 11/06/2018 5:59:17 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Wonder Warthog; aMorePerfectUnion
Only because the "Reformists" eviscerated the Biblical canon.

Prove it.

91 posted on 11/06/2018 5:59:58 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: circlecity
So you are saying Heaven is purgatory? That’s pretty wacked.

No, the final cleansing (purging) of the soul of all its inclinations toward sin before we are united with God in Heaven. Peace.

92 posted on 11/06/2018 6:02:45 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Gamecock

Somehow, in all this commentary
I am reminded of a wonderful book by CS Lewis

The Great Divorce

https://www.wordonfire.org/resources/article/why-you-should-read-cs-lewis-the-great-divorce/5128/

It, and Til We Have Faces are my favorite works by him

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Till_We_Have_Faces


93 posted on 11/06/2018 6:04:13 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Petrosius

If purgatory is for “cleansing” then why did your church claim that paying it money would shorten the time. The church certainly cannot do anything for the dead that Christ didn’t do once and for all with the payment of his blood. It’s a fantasy created for monetary gain by the roman church.


94 posted on 11/06/2018 6:06:04 AM PST by circlecity
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To: LukeL

“Purgatory also has a problem with the parable of the Prodigal Son.”

Maybe you missed the verse where the Prodigal’s Father says:

“EEWWWWW! I forgive him, but that boy is covered in PIG POOP! He ain’t setting foot in the house until he’s scrubbed clean - and that may take a few years! You servants take him down and wash him, feed him, get him some new clothes. I’ll give him a hug when all the stink is gone. Not before. He ain’t REALLY my son until he looks and smells like my son again.”

;>)


95 posted on 11/06/2018 6:06:45 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Gamecock

Pennance, good works, prayers and your mass can never remove the tiniest sin. Only the Bloodof Christ is sufficient and it is entirely sufficient. Your doctrine of purgatory among others makes a mockery of Christ’s sacrifice. It is beyond heresy.


96 posted on 11/06/2018 6:07:18 AM PST by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Petrosius

How about “by His stripes we are healed” We are healed by Christ’s work not our own or any time suffering in the make believe land called purgatory


97 posted on 11/06/2018 6:10:24 AM PST by Mom MD ( .)
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To: RitaOK

If you are scriptural please post the verses here and now


98 posted on 11/06/2018 6:12:43 AM PST by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Petrosius

The apostles would not recognize the Roman sect of today and would flee from its many heresies


99 posted on 11/06/2018 6:15:19 AM PST by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Mom MD

Sufficiency of Christ Placemarker


100 posted on 11/06/2018 6:24:10 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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