Former pro football player prepares to take final vows as a nun

Catholic News Agency ^ | June 18, 2018

[Mrs. Don-o]

God Bless You!

[HereInTheHeartland]

She may be the new Evangelism Linebacker with her background in football!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hvYFvhx1dcY

[infool7]

Thank you Skooz

I am >100 also

I adjusted the html a bit this morning, let me know and I will PM it to you.

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[piusv]

That’s not the point. The point is that Cardinal Burke was on board with a man-turned-woman professing vows as a nun until the order was suppressed....

[zot]

Very interesting story. Thanks for the ping and the link at post #33.

[ealgeone]

The only "score" that's really going to count is your answer to this question:

He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

[ealgeone]

Great...you finally have an answer. See if you can round up more replies.

[infool7]

For one, you continue to post it.

I am sorry that it bothers you.

Two, I notice you've yet to post your score.

I am quite surprised that you don't already know what my score is but for you and your six five pals edification, it is >100

Three, this would fit with the works based component of Roman Catholicism.

You completely, consistently and gravely misunderstand Catholic dogma.

There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church — which is, of course, quite a different thing. - Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

Same question can be asked of you.

Catholic dogma and doctrine is solidly based on the authority of the Fathers, Doctors, Martyrs and Saints of the One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus.

You are not required to believe it but you do so at your own peril and purposely misleading others (little ones) is a another story entirely.

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[ealgeone]

>>For one, you continue to post it.<<

I am sorry that it bothers you.

What is of concern, among others, is you continue to post an incorrect listing of the Ten Commandments.

The rest is just a works based checksheet to show "how good you are".

Catholic dogma and doctrine is solidly based on the authority of the Fathers, Doctors, Martyrs and Saints of the One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus.

Mormons also cite extra Biblical sources to justify their positions.

You completely, consistently and gravely misunderstand Catholic dogma.

No...I understand Roman Catholic dogma...in some case better than Roman Catholics.

There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church — which is, of course, quite a different thing. - Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

No doubt Mormons would say the same thing.

[Campion]

No...I understand Roman Catholic dogma...in some case better than Roman Catholics.

Arrogance is not one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

[ealgeone]

It’s not arrogance if it’s true.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Perhaps he didn't know the medical details at the time?

After all, some people ---- very, very few ---- do not have a clear XX or XY genome, their genotype differs from their phenotype, they exhibit microchimerism, they have vestigial internal or external organs of both sexes, etc. and they are at liberty to sort it our hormonally/anatomically as best they can.

Would you happen to know the details? If so, explain.

[piusv]

Read the link. Somewhere in there is a quote where Burke makes some mention of how “Sister Julie” doesn’t necessarily believe it is moral to change one’s gender/sex. As if that matters.

So he knew.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I carefully re-read the link.

It does not answer the question of whether this person was biologically intersex, both as "Joel" and as "Julie." Not only was there no medical information about this person's genetic status, but it states that "These are matters which are confidential and do not admit of any further comment." Then it goes on to says that "I can assure you that Sister Julie Green in no way espouses a sex change operation as right or good. In fact, she holds it to be seriously disordered."

So there's no evidence of whether this person was a genotypically and anatomically normal male who (sinfully) mutilated his body, or whether s/he was born sexually ambiguous and later (as an adult) resolved it as a female. If that were the case,it would be blameless.

If there's no evidence, you can't make up a narrative and pass it off as the truth. That would be rash judgment about an individual you know very nearly nothing about.

It was Burke who suppressed this new religious order in 2003.

Is it possible that he came into the possession of new information?

I don't know that for a fact.

And neither do you know the contrary.

[piusv]

He says "Sister Julie" doesn't say a sex change is right or good and yet he never clearly states that she never had one. I see no reason why "Sister Julie" and Burke wouldn't want to clear the record and make it absolutely clear that she never had one given the scandal caused by not doing so.

Burke suppressed the order when this unfortunately (for him) became public.

[Mrs. Don-o]

In other words, you don't know. Thank you for confirming that.

"I see no reason why "Sister Julie" and Burke wouldn't want to clear the record..."

There's a lot of things you don't see. #1, there's this thing called Medical Privacy.

And #2, scandal-seeking is not a good thing.

[piusv]

Right. So "Sister Julie" felt her, I mean, his medical privacy was more important than the scandal she created in the Church.

As for "a lot of things I don't see"? Let me remind you that it wasn't that long ago that you "didn't see" the problem with Francis.

You shouldn't be so quick to defend Burke either.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I will continue, so help me God, to defend any person, be it clergy or laity, under malicious scandalous attack.

The Spiritual Combat
Dom Lorenzo Scupoli
Chapter 43

Smug self-satisfaction is responsible for another great disorder, which is rash judgment...

The enemy of our souls no sooner discovers this malicious tendency, but he immediately employs all his artifices to make us attentive to the failings of others, and to magnify those failings out of all proportion...

When Satan suggests the sins of others to us, we must banish all such thoughts, and if he persists in tricking us into rash judgments, we are to cultivate a deep abhorrence for such malicious insinuations...

Even if a neighbor’s fault be publicly known, let charity suggest some excuse. Let us believe there are some hidden virtues, for the preservation of which God is pleased to permit the publicized deficiency; and let us hope that the fault in which God suffers him to remain for a time, may eventually bring the erring one to true self-knowledge. Such a defeat is really a victory.

[piusv]

In other words, choosing to keep one’s head in the sand until someone wrenches it out.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I don’t know why you are so relentlessly maligning Cardinal Burke, but this tells us a lot more about you than it tells us about him.