Posted on 06/18/2018 8:49:38 AM PDT by Salvation
I'd like to know how you can tell the difference in a quick moment that ends up being a life/death choice.
Just like today!
But we ALL know that the Roman Catholic Church has built quite a magnificent organization upon things that have NOT been said in the Scriptures it compiled for the world.
THERE goes more than half the fun of FR!!!
...of the day.
The worms that have fallen from the opened can will now be trampled underfoot by the elephant in the room.
“killing is always wrong.”
Maybe, next time around, when God writes a new Bible, He will consult with you, eager for your opinion. (He orders killings throughout the Scriptures.)
My friend is incensed that we Baptists don’t permit women preachers. She thinks it’s wrong, even though it couldn’t be clearer in Scripture. I told her God probably will run it by her next time around. In the meantime, I guess I get to choose what I want to object to or ignore in the Bible. Apparently, it’s a Chinese menu to some.
I believe God judges more on intent than on action. We’re permitted to make mistakes, even fatal ones, if they’re honestly made.
Maybe next time God will ask you to sit in judgment of all Mankind. He’s probably got His hands full with more important matters and your knowledge of Scripture is so profound I’m sure He’d entrust the little things to you.
That is wonderful! In the last 6 months I have gotten my husband to go to church with me every time I go, almost weekly. His heart is not listening yet, but his ears are and some is getting to his mind. God’s Will Be Done, that is my prayer for everything. I can only be the one who connects him to hearing The Word, and God will do the rest. Just getting his butt in a pew is a huge deal after 30 years of nothing. There will come a day, when the message of salvation will reach him. I have given him that message on several occasions at home, now he hears it at church. He has a tough barrier, but God will do His will what ever that is.
I believe you are correct MM. If I recall correctly, the way to insult a man, was to slap his face, pull his beard, and spit in his face. A man is not required to stand by, while his wife and children are slaughtered. In a case like that, he is justified in kicking rears, and taking names. 😁👍
The command in the Ten Commandments is to not murder, which is different from not killing.
God is the one who instituted the death penalty as capital punishment and governments, not individuals, have the authority to administer it.
Killing someone in self-defense or defending another is not wrong since it is usually accidental. Sometimes it's a byproduct of defense and cannot be helped.
What kind of thing?
My thinking on “just war” and self-defense firmed up when I became a husband and father. I could not see how it could be right for my child to say to me, “Save me from this bad man!” and for me to be intentionally helpless.
It is still wrong. However, letting another person or yourself come to harm through your inaction is worse.
Here’s an example. You’re out one day taking your .300 Winchester Magnum for a walk when you spot a terrorist crouched beside a bridge in the distance. Through your 9x scope, you observe him trailing wires from a package he’s laid under the bridge support. Looking up the road, you see a bus from Mother Benevolence’s School for the Blind approaching the bridge. It is an easy shot to take out the terrorist.
If you kill the terrorist, it is a premeditated act — a murder. It is wrong. If you fail to act when it is within your power to stop him, he kills a bus full of blind children. That too is wrong.
Your choice is between two wrongs. But God put you there that day for a reason.
Which act would God forgive?
Trick question. He would forgive either of them if you acted with a pure heart. The decision — and the motives -— are yours. No one said it would be easy.
Then it’s a matter of forgiving yourself.
And that would be harder if you let the terrorist kill the bus load of children.
Although, one does not need to shoot to kill to stop a terrorist.
There are plenty of ways of incapacitating someone with a well placed shot.
Yup- just remember- noone is too tough for God- Paul himself was very dedicated to opposing Christ- Yet God got ahold of him- Something your husband hears may just one day click in his m ind- that is the moment when the Holy spirit lifts the scales from his eyes, and he will see clearly his need for salvation
A man only has so many cheeks.
Agreed.
IronJack,
It is simpler than that. As someone on FR put it, under a tyranny, self-defense is a crime. If globalist church leaders can convince Christians that killing in self-defense, or family-defense, or neighbor-defense, or nation-defense is “wrong”, than the globalists will have sheeple to rule over without hindrance.
What the left confuses in this area, on purpose, is the mission of the state versus the mission of the individual.
The mission of the state is to bring about the just condition, which is the foundation of peace, without which virtuous activity cannot be practiced. And without virtue no man can be happy (Aristotle). Any state which does not enforce capital penalties against capital crimes, which are nicely outlined for us in the Pentateuch, thank you Holy Spirit, such a society is doomed to be reduced to a bloody rubble. Look no further than ISIS or MS-13 for confirmation of this fact.
The individual’s mission is to love God and neighbor (Golden Rule) and reside with God forever in His presence and among His friends (agreed?). Loving God means that you keep His commandments.
Based upon a quick review of all of the comments here, it is obvious to most of the readers here that the scripture passages that speak to “turning the other cheek” clearly refer to insults to one’s pride and dignity, not attacks on our persons that could result in grave bodily harm, psychological harm, or death. Jesus commands us not to retaliate or escalate when offronted with petty insults. No where does He say that one should tolerate home invasions, carjackings, gang rapes, beatings and slayings.
In individual might allow death to occur, a grave evil, so that some greater good might prevail. This is another area where those who do not believe in God or the afterlife are confused. Hollywood regularly presents to us the idea that human life is the greatest good, and many boring plots revolve around the protagonist surviving death against all odds. The Greeks, Jews, and Christians have always held that there are greater goods than life such as; virtue, duty, Faith. An individual can lose his own life for any of these and he will be choosing the greater good.
Those entrusted with the care of the common good, have a duty to protect those under their care, and righteously execute this duty against evil doers even if it means they must deprive the evil doers of their life.
Only the state has been entrusted with the punishment of captital offenders. When an individual does it it must be an emergency condition where there is no other choice. The state which executes capital offenders does a service to society, making more peace and virtuous activity possible.
Some argue that we have the technology to jail all evil doers, so we should never execute anyone. This is an injustice to the victims, who after being violated by the criminals now are forced to foot the bill for the care and feeding of the capital offenders for the rest of their existence. Think of a widow with lots of children who loses her husband to a murderer, then in her poverty must support him till death.
Ultimately some of the stupidest positions on capital punishment come from philosophically confusing the mission of the state with that of the individual. The “Seamless Garment” position constrains the state from killing anyone, even capital offenders, as if the state were an individual, which is simply not the case.
I have to go, much more can be said on this. But if your gut is telling you that preserving human life from conception to “natural death” does not sit well with you, you are right.
Womenpreachers??
1 Timothy 2:12 ESV
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
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