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To: Mrs. Don-o
Oh yes, in Biblical days there was paraphernalia available for contraception as well as abortion. Neither intentional abortion nor intentional contraception (with the exception of Genesis 38) is described nor condemned in in the Scriptures. What do you want to conclude from that?

I conclude what I already stated. God's word commands us to abstain from sexual immorality, adultery, fornication and murder. Do you think this doesn't apply to the issue under discussion? Having sex with someone NOT your spouse is prohibited. Using any kind of contraception that causes the death of the unborn is prohibited - certainly abortion falls under that. When the BC pill first came out, it was restricted to married couples (the Comstock Act). No one really was told the pill's hormones had a secondary effect that if a fertile egg was released and fertilization happened, the embryo/zygote was prevented from attaching to the uterine wall essentially causing an abortion. It was quite nefarious that the drug maker didn't clarify that point or tried to hide it. When this fact became more widely known and the other harmful effects of the hormones came out, many, many women stopped using the pill. Information about the IUD was more informative and it's main function was specifically to make the uterine wall repel an egg from implantation. I certainly think more information should be given to women about these products. If they knew what they were using directly or indirectly caused expulsion and death of an embryo, perhaps they would not use them.

If you want to use the Onan story (as Catholicism does) to condemn withdrawal, then you ought to also know that most Bible scholars believe God's judgment of Onan was about his disobedience to father a child in his brother's name with his widow and he refused. That makes more sense to me that a blanket condemnation of using withdrawal as a method - though highly ineffective - to prevent pregnancy.

159 posted on 06/12/2018 1:31:17 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: boatbums
"If you want to use the Onan story (as Catholicism does)..."

Boatbums.

It's as *all* Christians did until the Anglicans broke ranks.

Eventually, (almost) all the rest ended up revising their theology in order to conform to what was, in August 1930, a shocking act of "Lambeth liberalism."

As the various Protestant denominations formed, starting 500 years ago, their founders and leaders condemned contraception in the strongest possible terms. John Calvin called the practice of contraception “condemned” and “doubly monstrous.” John Wesley said that contraception is “very displeasing to God, and the evidence of vile affections.” Martin Luther called those who used contraceptives “logs,” “stock,” and “swine.” Check out the history! You'll not find any Protestant denomination whose leaders did not condemn contraception explicitly and forcefully, linking it to Onan's sin, before 1930.

These included Luther, Calvin, Calvinists Jacob Alting, Robert S. Candlish, and Cotton Mather; Evangelicals Keith Leroy Brooks and Thomas H. Leale; Huguenot Jean Mercier; Lutherans Johann Albrecht Bengel, Johannes Brunnemann, and Abraham Calovius; Methodists Adam Clarke and Richard Watson; Nonconformists Henry Ainsworth, Daniel Defoe, and John Gill; Presbyterians John Brown, Robert Dabney, and Melancthon W. Jacobus; and Puritans Richard Stock and John Trapp.

All wrong until they decided to follow the lead of Anglican liberals, hey?

177 posted on 06/12/2018 5:35:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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