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U.S. Archbishop: Using Contraception is Always ‘Evil’
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| 6/5/18
| Lisa Bourne
Posted on 06/10/2018 6:42:31 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Mrs. Don-o
What makes you think I don't respect the Scriptural worldview and Biblical authority? I don't know how many more times I have to say it - God DOES give us guidance in His word.
His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. (II Peter 1:3)
I've seen it far too many times how Catholics use these kinds of topics to assert their moral (and theological) superiority to all other Christian denominations. Y'all certainly are right on many things - but you're not alone either - but that doesn't translate to you must therefor be right about EVERYTHING and everyone must follow Rome. It's not a contest.
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posted on
06/12/2018 6:44:22 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: boatbums
I see that in your eyes I'm wrong both when I assert Catholic sources, and when I assert Protestant sources, of Biblical exegesis and morality.
As I mentioned to our dear metmom, this does not bode well for productive dialogue. I opt at this point for strawberry ice cream, and I bid you God's peace for the night.
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posted on
06/12/2018 6:51:42 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
(God is not the Author of Confusion, but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints --1 Cor 14:33)
To: Shethink13
You never answered me as to why this belief seems to get your panties in a serious wad.You are the one saying they are in a wad.
Perhaps believing such unbelievable stuff put forward from Rome has clouded your ability to navigate the logic of human nature.
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:05:37 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Shethink13
Why cant it just be that scripture is silent on the issue
Shouldn't ROME be answering this?
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:06:27 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
Comment #185 Removed by Moderator
To: Shethink13
What is it about this that gets you so riled up that you always have to have some kind of snarky retort to ridicule someones honest beliefs? That's a damned good question!!!
"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."
--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:10:44 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Mrs. Don-o
This is quite different from naming somebody and saying they are not in a state of grace, which would be saying something one cannot know: another person's interior disposition.
Meanwhile... back in 1215 AD...
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:11:44 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Mrs. Don-o
Ladies; once you’ve gone thru the Change...
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:12:30 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Mrs. Don-o
. Sacred things are often to be kept covered, out of respect.NOW I understand...
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:15:36 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Mrs. Don-o
You did not respond to the point I made that abstinence from sex in marriage is --- not often--- but sometimes, rarely, appropriate:I saw no need to go down your rabbit hole.
Even Catholic 'tradition' doesn't DARE to claim there was ANYTHING wrong with either Joseph's or Mary's 'private' parts.
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:17:17 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Mrs. Don-o
... they retained a respect for the Scriptural worldview, Biblical authority.You've left out CATHOLIC authority.
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:18:47 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: boatbums
I've seen it far too many times how Catholics use these kinds of topics to assert their moral (and theological) superiority to all other Christian denominations. Y'all certainly are right on many things - but you're not alone either - but that doesn't translate to you must therefor be right about EVERYTHING and everyone must follow Rome. It's not a contest. If its not a contest, why do you always trying to make it one. Youre equating defending our faith from attack as if we are insisting you must follow Rome. We have beliefs that we express that are constantly questioned, mocked, sneered at and when we dare to defend it by explaining our reasoning suddenly were insisting that you must accept it or else. I repeat, you are free to believe as you choose. The whole concept of faith is a personal decision on how you approach your relationship with God. That you feel someone is compelling you to follow Rome is in your own mind. The only way someone can have that kind of power over you is if you allow it.
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:23:55 PM PDT
by
Shethink13
(there are 0 electoral votes in the state of denial)
To: Shethink13
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.” - Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:31:49 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: Salvation
“God said Go forth, be fertile and multiply. Contraception does not follow Gods Instructions for all.”
I knew a guy with 7 kids. 6 had genetic defects. All are supported by the state. Not convinced that “openness to life” was appropriate. And the earth has plenty of people...
If it was just about having babies...horses and dogs do so efficiently enough by having the female come into heat.
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:35:50 PM PDT
by
Mr Rogers
(Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
To: Elsie
So youre saying that somewhere in New testament writings that states irrefutably that Mary and Joseph DID NOT HAVE normal marital relations? No - Im saying (again) that Scripture is silent on the subject because it is not relevant to our salvation. Therefore it is simply a matter of faith. My faith believes she conceived as a Virgin and remained a virgin. Ill defend my reasons and youre free to reject them. Problem is, you dont simply reject - you mock and insult, then claim its quite laughable when youre asked why.
So, I ask again - what does it matter to you whether they did or did not have marital relations? How does it affect your salvation and your relationship with God?
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:43:51 PM PDT
by
Shethink13
(there are 0 electoral votes in the state of denial)
To: Mr Rogers
I disagree with you. All those children, even with defects, have a soul. Animals don’t.
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:46:12 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Mr Rogers
And each of those disabled children will be beautiful in heaven.
Blessed are the poor!
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posted on
06/12/2018 7:46:56 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Elsie
I was referring to the Queen of the South and the men of Ninevah, as rising in judgment over this generation, and condemning it. 😁
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posted on
06/12/2018 8:01:30 PM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: Salvation
“I disagree with you. All those children, even with defects, have a soul. Animals dont.”
And each is supported by other peoples’ money. And it isn’t as if either heaven or the USA will be unpopulated without more babies being born, regardless of life expectancy or health.
We AREN’T unthinking animals. WE CAN MAKE CHOICES ABOUT WHEN TO PROCREATE! Women don’t come into heat, and men don’t have an overpowering compulsion to screw every fertile woman they meet! Not all men act like Hollywood directors!
This debate reminds me of when my sister, newly converted, told my Mom we shouldn’t lock our doors because “God will protect us”. My Mom stared at her and replied, “And God gave me locks and the will to use them!”
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posted on
06/12/2018 8:18:16 PM PDT
by
Mr Rogers
(Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
To: Mrs. Don-o
Enjoy your ice cream. Should you decide to come back, please read what people actually reply rather than just a knee-jerk reaction. The disagreement wasn’t with sources but the conclusion you seemed to make by quoting them.
But I also recognize a logjam when I see it and agree that this dialogue is pointless.
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posted on
06/12/2018 9:09:32 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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