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To: GBA; imardmd1; Mark17; Elsie; metmom; Luircin
You asserted, of demons, "The demons had belief and faith." You are so fundamentally wrong that it now exposes why you are not 'getting it'. JESUS is Whom GOD sent for our salvation. Your attribution of 'faith' to demons is deeply in error.

Faith is at heart an action word. The term might better be written 'faithe', as a verb, an action word: pistis / pisteuo.

The trick of verbiage is common to the deceptive Catholic mind, as in conflating the body of ALL believers with the word church used to designate an Organization. At the heart this is a purposed deception aimed at conflating Catholic Church with the body of all believers, which is a lie from the pit of Hell.

The Bible, The Word of God tells us that the demons know Whom Jesus is and they tremble. He is not their savior, therefore they do not have 'faith' in Him as savior. But you just deceived readers by pairing the word used to denote saving by Jesus via faithing in Him, with the demons for whom He is not the Savior of them. Do you do this to deceive yourself into accepting more and more mysticism and signs and wonders, rather than exercising faithing in Jesus as (not will be but in the exact now) your now Savior?

You may try to mentally excuse yourself by thinking I am picking at minor points. That too is a self deception, for this issue is the heart of the matter, the central meaning of God with us, not with demons, with us!

When someone faiths in Jesus as their Lord and Savior, the Holy Spirit of GOD is in their human spirit, like a spark of new life. The Presence of His Spirit in the now alive human spirit does not force righteous living as a despot would do. It urges righteous choices wafted from spirit to soul, to the behavior mechanism of mind, emotions, and will, and we grow from infancy in HIS family to maturity. It is a process euphemistically called sanctification. It is not Salvation, for that had to have already happened in order that GOD's Spirit is put in the dead human spirit.

How can I be so sure what I am writing to you is accurate? well, I have been reading what Paul was given by GOD to write to us on these matters. The simplest starting point is Paul's reference to milk and meat ... those still in infancy need milk and cannot digest meat. Those growing in faith and knowledge move to meat and eventually to strong meat.

I gave you an example of a strong 'byte' of meat when I referred to the water of birth as what Jesus referred to in John 3 speaking with Nicodemus. To a milk dependent believer that is hard to digest because they want to equate water to adult baptism since it is so much easier to assimilate in the new Christian perspective.

You conflated in referring to demons having faith: faith as used for describing salvation is not in anyway related to demons knowing Whom Jesus is, for He is not their savior since they already chose Him not. They have faith that He will eventually send them to eternal Hell. [ Now resist that demonic temptation to argue that a searching Christian is exercising the same sort of faith by weighing issues of heaven and hell.]

One last question from an old man: when you seek assistance or miraculous from someone 'in the Holy family, Mary specifically, are you really living that 'trust in the Lord with all your heart, leaning not to your own understanding? If you are truly honest, the answer is obvious, you are not. You are giving yourself an excuse to continue in your mysticism. The influence of the mystery religions is like that ...

741 posted on 06/13/2018 10:42:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
when you seek assistance or miraculous from someone 'in the Holy family, Mary specifically

Bud, I don’t recall saying what you just said, but accept that is how you read it.

I used to pray for the same stuff everyone else does, mostly getting/keeping the girlfriend, stuff. Now, after a few years of Job time, I try to just be thankful and ask for blessings and protection for me and mine and for my neighbors, too.

Walking the dogs at night in copperhead country can be hazardous, so I pray to Jesus first before we go for protection against all serpents, in whatever form they may take and from whatever poisons they may carry.

There have been two times so far that I credit Him for the save, and He knows how many others that I don’t know about but am grateful for.

I really can’t claim any good thing in my life as my own or from my own efforts. It’s all from my Father. Mid-Job time, I had two major head traumas in two years, either of which kills people every day, or they have to relearn the alphabet or how to walk or whatever, if possible.

Me, mostly just a reboot. For the better..I think.

The prayers I try to memorize and recite beyond the Lord’s Prayer are the Hail Mary and the prayer to St. Michael. No statues, though, carved, poured or printed.

If that condemns me to hell? Okey dokey.

743 posted on 06/13/2018 11:33:42 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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To: MHGinTN
You are giving yourself an excuse to continue in your mysticism superstitiousness.

Pardon me for rewording this, but do yu not think that is even more fitting, eh?

762 posted on 06/14/2018 8:33:05 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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