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To: ADSUM; boatbums
I have never said that anyone who was not a member of the Catholic Church could not be saved. That is a decision made by Jesus on all of us upon one’s death.

You are at odds with Roman Catholic dogma if you believe this.

Doesn't your denomination claim there is no salvation outside of the Catholic [meaning Roman Catholic] and that everyone is to be subject to the Roman Pontiff...We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.

63 posted on 05/11/2018 7:20:24 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Also the decision is not made on our death. The moment we accept Christ’s atoning sacrifice on our behalf we pass from death to life and our salvation is accomplished.


65 posted on 05/11/2018 7:22:28 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: ealgeone

Your comment: “You are at odds with Roman Catholic dogma if you believe this.” You again make incorrect statements about the Catholic church.

In correcting Fr. Feeney in 1949, the Supreme Congregation of the Holy Office (now the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) issued a document entitled Suprema Haec Sacra, which stated that “ extra ecclesiam, nulla salus” (outside the Church, no salvation) is “an infallible statement.” But, it added, “this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church itself understands it.”

Note that word dogma. This teaching has been proclaimed by, among others, Pope Pelagius in 585, the Fourth Lateran Council in 1214, Pope Innocent III in 1214, Pope Boniface VIII in 1302, Pope Pius XII, Pope Paul VI, the Second Vatican Council, Pope John Paul II, and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in Dominus Iesus.

Our point is this: When the Church infallibly teaches extra ecclesiam, nulla salus, it does not say that non-Catholics cannot be saved. In fact, it affirms the contrary. The purpose of the teaching is to tell us how Jesus Christ makes salvation available to all human beings.


68 posted on 05/11/2018 7:31:16 PM PDT by ADSUM
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