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Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Placemarker
Kinda left out a very important one. It’s there in Exodus. And we know why Rome leaves it out.
Do you see my posts disagreeing with your viewpoint? Which ones?
I also notice in most of these threads very few Romans participate....especially when we start discussing Scripture.
In +18 years of posting on Roman threads, I've yet to find any Roman who knows how to handle the Word of God.
There was one Roman who was a great guy, open to truth and we prayed for each other. He passed away and none have risen to take his place.
That includes two purported priests.
When I read John 6, the focus of the chapter, beginning to end, is BELIEF in Jesus the Messiah. Jesus taught extensively with metaphor. Being born-again. "How can one enter a 2nd time into my mother's womb?" - Nicodemus. I am the door. I am the light of the world. Etc., etc. We don't worship doors or light. We don't attempt to re-enter our mother's womb.
Jesus indwells BELIEVERS with His Holy Spirit. This is how we 'commune' with Him.
Selah
Hear here
YES!!!! Roman Catholicism has some of the most superstitious beliefs I've encountered.
Wearing pieces of cloth to avoid the hell-fire.
Wearing medals to receive "great graces, especially if they wear it around their neck". marian.org
There is NOTHING in the NT to support this. NOTHING! Yet many Roman Catholics have fallen for these lies.
Logical Fallacy: Ad hominem, tu quoque.
Try again... again.
| Matthew 26:26-29 | Mark 14:22-24 | Luke 22:14-20 | John 13:21-26 | 1 Corinthians 11:23-26 |
| 26While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” 27And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; 28for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins. 29“But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.” | 22While they were eating, He took some bread, and after a blessing He broke it, and gave it to them, and said, “Take it; this is My body.” 23And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, and they all drank from it.24And He said to them, “This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many. 25“Truly I say to you, I will never again drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”. | 14When the hour had come, He reclined at the table, and the apostles with Him. 15And He said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; 16for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” 17And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He said, “Take this and share it among yourselves; 18for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”19And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 20And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood. |
21When Jesus had said this, He became troubled in spirit, and testified and said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, that one of you will betray Me.” 22The disciples began looking at one another, at a loss to know of which one He was speaking.23There was reclining on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24So Simon Peter gestured to him, and said to him, “Tell us who it is of whom He is speaking.” 25He, leaning back thus on Jesus’ bosom, said to Him, “Lord, who is it?” 26Jesus then answered, “That is the one for whom I shall dip the morsel and give it to him.” So when He had dipped the morsel, He took and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. | 23For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes. |
Key Phrases/words:
Poured out: In the OT the blood sacrifice was never consumed; it was always poured out. We further have the drink offering which was poured out before God as a sacrifice (Ex 29:40, Numbers 15:4-5).
29.11 ἀνάμνησις, εως f: (derivative of ἀναμιμνῄσκω ‘to cause to remember,’ 29.10) the means for causing someone to remember—‘means of remembering, reminder.’ ἀλλ’ ἐν αὐταῖς ἀνάμνησις ἁμαρτιῶν κατ’ ἐνιαυτόν ‘but in those (sacrifices) there is a yearly reminder of sins’ or ‘… that people have sinned’ He 10:3. Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 347). New York: United Bible Societies.
A close look at this Roman Catholic teaching shows the damnable heresy of Catholicism's gospel - that people can be good enough to be saved. "Dictates of (their) conscience" and "strive to live a good life" cannot be interpreted any other way than that faith in Jesus Christ ISN'T necessary for salvation as long as you are a "good person".
It is clear. Sadly, too many want to believe the great blasphemous lie, pushed weekly by those who draw empowerment from the deception!
Again you make false statements.
Nope. There is a RC poster who used accuse Christians for "your own personal interpretation of Scripture". They had a gif of a cereal box with this.
Today, priests are obliged to read Scripture in their Office, or daily prayers, for about an hour and a half every day. The laity are more than encouraged, they are urged to read the Bible. By Pius VI (1778), by Pius VII (1820), they were earnestly exhorted to read it, by Leo XIII a special blessing was given to all who would read the Gospels for at least a quarter of an hour daily. Benedict XV (himself the founder of the Society of St. Jerome for distributing the Gospels in Italian, which sells great numbers every year) sent, by the Cardinal Secretary of State, the following message to the Catholic Truth Society: “It was with no little gladness of heart that the Holy Father learned of the work of the Society and of its diligence in spreading far and wide copies of the Holy Gospels, as well as of the other books of the Holy Scriptures, and in multiplying them so as to reach all men of good will. Most lovingly therefore His Holiness blesses all who have put their hand to this very excellent work; and he earnestly exhorts them to persevere with ardor in so holy an enterprise.” . . .
This is at odds with the following from the USCCB:
Scripture always has played an important role in the prayer life of the Catholic Church and its members. For the ordinary Catholic in earlier centuries, exposure to Scripture was passive. They heard it read aloud or prayed aloud but did not read it themselves. One simple reason: Centuries ago the average person could not read or afford a book. Popular reading and ownership of books began to flourish only after the invention of the printing press.
Once the printing press was invented, the most commonly printed book was the Bible, but this still did not make Bible-reading a Catholic’s common practice. Up until the mid-twentieth Century, the custom of reading the Bible and interpreting it for oneself was a hallmark of the Protestant churches springing up in Europe after the Reformation. Protestants rejected the authority of the Pope and of the Church and showed it by saying people could read and interpret the Bible for themselves. Catholics meanwhile were discouraged from reading Scripture.
Identifying the reading and interpreting of the Bible as “Protestant” even affected the study of Scripture. Until the twentieth Century, it was only Protestants who actively embraced Scripture study. That changed after 1943 when Pope Pius XII issued the encyclical Divino Afflante Spiritu. This not only allowed Catholics to study Scripture, it encouraged them to do so. And with Catholics studying Scripture and teaching other Catholics about what they were studying, familiarity with Scripture grew.
Scripture awareness grew after the Second Vatican Council. Mass was celebrated in the vernacular and so the Scripture readings at Mass were read entirely in English. Adult faith formation programs began to develop, and the most common program run at a parish focused on Scripture study. The Charismatic movement and the rise of prayer groups exposed Catholics to Scripture even more. All of this contributed to Catholics becoming more familiar with the Bible and more interested in reading the Scriptures and praying with them.
So it would seem based on this personal Bible study is a relatively new concept for the Roman Catholic.
You can't be serious! What is "argumentation" to you and how is it different than a "lively discussion"? Everyone has to agree with you? Fat chance!
Christ Alone Placemarker.
You are a wise man.
Receive Him once and He's with you forever.
Receiving Him as often as I can means that I've lost Him that many times because you can't receive again something you already have in your possession.
Because it’s a one time profession of your faith. Where is it stated that faith is a one time acceptance and how can one determine that they will not reject that faith by their actions (sins) before their death?
It's still a better position than Catholics tell us they are in. They keep telling us that every time someone sins they are choosing to reject Jesus and He leas. At least with what you are claiming we believe, it would take a deliberate, conscious decision to reject Jesus, not simply a matter of falling into sin.
But as far as it being a one time thing, when we accept Jesus we are born again/born from above into the family of God. We are given new life in, the record of debt against us being canceled and we are transferred by God into the kingdom of Jesus.
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