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To: boatbums

Good question. The Old Covenant died the moment the Curtain was torn supernaturally by God when Jesus died on the Cross on Calvary.

So the manner in which believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob worshipped, (i.e. ritual in the Temple) died once that Curtain was torn in half.

The curtain was where God’s spirit dwelled.

John the Baptist was the last of the Old Testament prophets. They preached in this same dispensation of Temple sacrifice, they were, in effect the “Holy Spirit” to people and mostly to the Jews.

And most importantly, these Old Testament prophets, including David and Moses WROTE THE WORD OF GOD.

No one now, in this church age, can have the same position as the Old Testament Prophets who wrote the Word!

NO one now can try to go back and be an old Testament prophet, because we have now a better gift. The gift of the Holy Spirit.

In same manner, no one alive now can pretend to be on par with the New Testament Apostles. They also lived under a different dispensation as we do. They lived during the transition time of Christ’s earthly ministry on earth.

They were eyewitnesses to Christ’s time on earth. And no one today can call themselves an Apostle on par with them because they were first hand witnesses to Christ and THEY WROTE THE WORD OF GOD.

No one today can take away their positions, or inhabit the positions of the Apostles. They sit in a special place in heaven, reserved for them alone.

They lived under a different dispensation than we do, in terms of function and position.

We are under the dispensation of Pentecost, which came after Jesus ascended to Heaven, and indeed, THIS WAS THE REASON Jesus said “I must go to the Father” and instructed His disciples to wait (with His mom) in the upper room... so this better thing, the outpouring of His spirit would be given to all who ask.

So we must guard against abuses of these Pentecostal gifts. Prophecy now can never contradict the Word, but only uphold it and encourage faith. And we are never to give a personal prophetic word more weight than the Word in our minds.

This is why Paul says “prophecies will fail” but Jesus says “heaven and earth shall pass away, but the Word is Eternal”.


115 posted on 04/18/2018 3:27:36 PM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus, please frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised in Your Word)
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To: Sontagged

I wish there are more Charismatics as level headed as you.

This group I separated myself from, one woman claims to dream prophetically all the time, has people who think she’s very skilled in dream interpretation, she’s always binding and casting out some demon or other.

Basically what it comes down to is that she really believes this stuff and says it with such confidence and surety that people believe her.

She also claims that God likes her, not just loves her, and that He doesn’t care what she does, whether she sins or not. her husband thinks God is mighty in her.

There’s no reasoning with that couple.


116 posted on 04/18/2018 3:44:51 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Sontagged
So we must guard against abuses of these Pentecostal gifts. Prophecy now can never contradict the Word, but only uphold it and encourage faith. And we are never to give a personal prophetic word more weight than the Word in our minds. This is why Paul says “prophecies will fail” but Jesus says “heaven and earth shall pass away, but the Word is Eternal”.

Just to clarify...what you are calling the gift of prophecy is NOT the same thing as the revelation God gave to His holy Prophets. That their prophecies would NOT fail was a hallmark and sign that they were TRUE prophets. God warned His people against false prophets and said one of the major ways they would know the difference was in whether or not what the prophet said came to pass (see Deuteronomy 18:22)

The word "prophecy" or "prophesize" can also mean to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others. I believe it is this kind of NT special knowledge or prophecy that can "fail", "cease", "become useless", "pass away", etc. God's word will NEVER pass away, therefore what He has spoken through His prophets will also not pass away or fail.

120 posted on 04/18/2018 7:05:53 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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