Another bitter, nasty article, posted by pre-Vat 2 Caths, aimed at people on the Internet.
Or, to put it more bluntly:
😩 no mass in Scripture as practiced today
😩 no rosary in Scripture
😩 no prayers to departed saints in Scripture
Strange that you consider these the most crucial things, when the Apostles did not.
It's also hilarious that a church that gives Charles Darwin more authority over scriptural interpretation than any church father who has ever lived would call any other religion "modernist."
Do you take some particularly sardonic delight in trashing non-Catholic Christians that you have to post such filth?
How would you like an article titled “Catholicism, Catechism, and Child Abuse”? Are Protestants really to blame for atheism? Are evangelical Christians to blame for the heresies of churches to which they do not belong? Or, are perhaps, even the best Catholics responsible for the heinous crimes of a few of the clergymen of their Church?
I know what Catholicism is. What is “Protestantism?” Is it being a Protestant? Is it reserved for just some subset of Protestants? Personally, I think it is a term made up to malign anyone who disagrees with certain doctrines of the unrepentant and heretical church that long ago usurped the authority of the church of Rome and of the the whole world.
But I am tired of the never ending debates with Catholics who constantly preach purely Catholic heresy.
I will simply point out, after the author maligns Christians who reject Romish heresies, she proceeds to provide her ideas of a solution, which turns out to be Romish heresies.
Let’s note what is absent here: Jesus. Yes, Jesus is absent in the solution to the problems as espoused by Cardinal Burke and Julia Meloni.
Sure, Jesus is mentioned in passing. By name, only once, in a quote from one “Mabel” whom we will agree is heretical. Why is Marbel the only one speaking in the name of Jesus?
And, yes, Jesus is alluded to in a purely cynical way as the “Eucharistic Lord.” Apparently Jesus is addressed in this very non-Biblical way as to distinguish the Catholic Jesus from the Jesus of non-Catholic Christians. And indeed He is, but not in the way the author thinks.
And, yes, the term “Christ” is used as well. But only for a passing reference to attribute something He said to Him.
Why is this so significant?
Because this very anti-Protestant rant offers no Gospel of Jesus Christ as an answer to the supposed problems. In the place of the true Gospel is Marian “devotion.”
“So let us, said Cardinal Burke, heed Fatima’s call for prayer, penance, and reparation. Let us be ‘agents’ of the triumph of Mary’s Immaculate Heart.”
Tag onto this message a call to the rosary, and a reminder of the supposed message of Fatima, as if there is any substance to this beyond what God already gave in His holy word.
Anti-evangelical Christian screeds seem to be the ONLY thing that certain Catholics can post on the religion forum. It’s all Pope this, Pope that, Mary this, Mary that, rosary this, ad infinitum. But oops, you missed something kind of important:
Jesus is Lord. Everything in the Bible is about Jesus. Not Mary. Not the Pope. Not the Catholic Church. Not even all or some particular Protestant Church.
My Bible says that people need Jesus. Atheists need Jesus. Protestants need Jesus. Catholics need Jesus. Being born into a particular religion, including a Catholic or Protestant Church, exempts anyone from needing to receive Jesus for salvation.
The message that is completely absent in this article is quite simply, the Gospel:
1. Jesus died for our sins,
2. according to the scriptures (substitutionary death prophesied).
3. He was buried.
4. He rose again,
5. according to the scriptures (resurrection prophesied).
6. He was seen alive by hundreds of witnesses (including ALL who ever had or will have apostolic authority).
7. God commands all men, everywhere to repent, and...
8. Believe the Gospel.
I will further point out that, like so many Romish doctrinal heresies, conferring a special title of “Immaculate Heart” exalts Mary rather than (and as opposed to) Jesus, who is Lord of all. His is the name above all other names. It is He who must increase while all others decrease. God alone is Holy, innately. Not Mary. Not Peter. No one but God is Holy. All others who are made holy are holy by virtue of God’s Holiness. Not vice versa. No one’s holiness is contingent upon the holiness of Mary. Her heart is only immaculate in the same sense that all who trust in Jesus for forgiveness of sins receive a new and clean heart. Any other gospel is a false gospel from the pit of hell. And I mean this in the nicest possible sense.
Oh lordy, here we go again on the wild n’ wacky tilt-a-whirl of psychotic Catholic Luther-bashing.
Whee!
Another bitter, nasty article, posted by pre-Vat 2 Caths, aimed at people on the Internet.
Or, to put it more bluntly:
Keep it up; ET.
Perhaps you’ll have fun with THIS thread you’ve started.
Whatever is pushing you to do this, just know that others here HAVE investigated and studied the doctrines of Christianity and would more than likely be in agreement with much of what Catholicism teaches. It's sad when threads devolve into insult fests and gotchas and the opportunity to have an adult discussion is lost.
Try putting the sandal on the other foot sometime and look at how those you persist in attacking feel compelled to reply and defend their beliefs. The Bible says God hates him that sows discord among brethren (Proverbs 6:19). Don't be that person.
Which is absurd. Extrapolating rebellion to authority in general and liberalism from Luther's principled dissent based on Scripture being supreme is no more valid than linking the principled dissent of America's founder to anarchists. The fact is that the NT church actually began in dissent from those who sat in the seat of Moses over Israel, (Mt. 23:2) who were the historical instruments and stewards of Scripture (Rm. 3:2; 9:4) and recipients of Divine promises of of Divine guidance, presence and perpetuation as they believed, (Gn. 12:2,3; 17:4,7,8; Ex. 19:5; Lv. 10:11; Dt. 4:31; 17:8-13; Ps, 11:4,9; Is. 41:10, Ps. 89:33,34; Jer. 7:23)
And instead they followed an itinerant Preacher whom the magisterium rejected, and whom the Messiah reproved them Scripture as being supreme, (Mk. 7:2-16) and established His Truth claims upon scriptural substantiation in word and in power, as did the early church as it began upon this basis. (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.)
And esteem for Scripture as the wholly inspired authoritative word of God and thus the supreme authority was the most fundamental belief behind the Reformation.
And it has been those who most strongly hold to Scripture as the wholly inspired accurate authoritative word of God who have been the most unified in core beliefs , in contrast to Catholics overall, and thus are treated as enemy #1 one by both liberals and TradCats.
In contrast, liberal churches are those who hold to a liberal view of Scripture, both its accuracy and authority, and tend to be closest to Catholicism, and thus are in need of reformation to be as part of the reformation, which must yet continue.
The mass, prayer, the rosary. These first and last. The world denies their power: it is on their power that Christians must throw all their weight.
As recently explained (once again), in the light of the only inspired and substantive record of what the NT church believed, there are no Catholic priests in the NT church, and thus no Mass , nor praying to created beings in Heaven (PTCBIH), and thus no rosary, which are counterfeit substitutes for what Scripture attests to.
Unlike something like a “Sinner’s Prayer,” expressions of which we do see, if not as a set formula, asking for mercy from God as a damned and destitute sinners, and trust in Him (Luke 18:13; 23:42; cf. Ps. 34:18) or an "Altar Call," which we see in any invitation for meet with God, Joel 2:13-17) PTCBIH is only supported by the principle of prayer for each other in this physical realm.
However, nowhere in Scripture do we see any believers engaging in prayer to created beings in Heaven or instructed to do so, despite the Spirit inspiring the recording of over 200 prayers, and of this being a most basic practice, and despite there always being plenty of created beings to pray to, and occasions for it since the Fall, yet the only prayers or offerings in Scripture to anyone else in the spiritual world is by pagans, including to the only Queen of Heaven see therein.
Failing to find even one example of PTCBIH, and with instruction on who to address in prayer to Heaven only being that of to the Lord, thus you must resort to eisegetical extrapolation, presuming those in Heaven can not only hear/understand all prayers from earth, mental or oral (which only God is shown able to do), but that we are to address them, though again the Holy Spirit never mentions even one example of doing so.
Meanwhile, from what I recall, any two-way communication btwn created beings in Heaven and earth required both to somehow be present in the same location, and was not that of asking them to intercede to God for them, and was very rare.
Note that elders and angels offering prayers (Rv. 5:8; 8:4,5) in memorial - like as in Lv. 2:2,15,16; 24:7; Num. 5:15; 16:9, "an offering of memorial" cf. Num. 16:9, - is not that of them being addressed in prayer, nor does it indicate that they had heard them previously, nor is it described as being a regular postal service, but it is one of the things which is a preclude to the final judgments upon the earth, testifying to the persecutions of the saints by the devil and world that it fit to be punished. For when "He maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble. (Psalms 9:12; cf. Genesis 4:10) and before judgment God brings forth testimony of the warrant for it, which includes the cry of those martyred souls under the altar in Rv. 6:9, and with odors representing prayer, akin to Leviticus 6:15, "burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour, even the memorial of it, unto the Lord." (Leviticus 6:15)
He sounds exactly like Weston in the C.S. Lewis books Out of the Silent Planet and more importantly, Perelandra.