Posted on 11/25/2017 11:37:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind
And he committed genocide and mass destruction regularly. God of the Old Testament was an emotionally insecure tyrant demanding constant worship. What we have today is sort of a God 2.0.
Roe v. Wade
Maybe, maybe not. But if Israel had as one said YES! to Jesus Christ would we Gentiles have been given “the unsearchabke riches of Christ” or been “made one new man out of the two”?
God used Israel’s hardness of heart to accomplish His secret purpose in Christ. He is an amazing GOD!
Yes, The Book of Job is a real test for that. You have four real idiots talking, and Job says some dumb things at times, so one has to listen when YWHW straightens them all out.
Dyslexia strikes again.
The Aztecs had massive human sacrifice, they killed so many people a year they had to go take people from other tribes to get their quota for the year. It’s likely that the Canaanites would have turned to coexisting Israelites for fresh meat had they not taken a good number of them out first. Then they also threw babies into bonfires. Pretty sure God didn’t like that either.
I don’t think that’s the question, the disturbing question is why would
God, who gave the 10 commandments to His people, among them, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, tell them to commit genocide.
THAT is the disturbing question that needs to be answered.
> So, how long until California experiences “The Big One”TM up close and personal?
It’s more likely that California will be overrun and slaughtered by invaders who don’t murder their children or denigrate marriage.
>I don’t think that’s the question, the disturbing question is why would
God, who gave the 10 commandments to His people, among them, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, tell them to commit genocide.
The actual words in Hebrew are “You shall not murder.”
https://www.levitt.com/hebrew/commandments.html#c6
>THAT is the disturbing question that needs to be answered.
I just answered it. Going to war and slaughtering your foes isn’t murder.
I’m not sure what your point is... if the thoughts expressed are true, then what are the implications? Does God command people to commit genocide? Can we worship such a God?
I have no problems with God judging the Canaanites for their wickedness... What I have trouble with is why he uses His people, the very ones He commanded not to murder, to kill.
Why didn’t God just destroy them Himself?
>The Aztecs had massive human sacrifice, they killed so many people a year they had to go take people from other tribes to get their quota for the year.
The Aztec system was actually slow genocide on the people they conquered. Whenever they find human remains in an Aztec temple it consists mostly of the bones from women and children. The other tribes were literally having the ability to reproduce being snatched from them. I’m fine with what the Spanish did there, the Aztecs are among the evilest people to ever live.
> It’s likely that the Canaanites would have turned to coexisting Israelites for fresh meat had they not taken a good number of them out first. Then they also threw babies into bonfires. Pretty sure God didn’t like that either.
The main beef the Egyptians had with the Israelites was the fact that they had huge families while the Egyptians were not reproducing due to infanticide and child sacrifice. This was a problem in the entire bronze age world around this time period and the Canaanites were no different. The Israelites were the only group in the area that didn’t practice this behavior hence why the story of Arabrham and Isaac is so prominent.
Murdering or not murdering your children are diametrically opposed systems that we see as today (with pro-life vs pro-abortion). The tribe that doesn’t murder their children is naturally going to be more numerous and completely disgusted by the child murder tribes. Extinction of the child murders is likely to follow, as it should.
I often wondered about the origin of child sacrifice. It seems like a stupid thing to do if a society wants to thrive.
But the reasoning was that you were not killing off all of your own children, just a firstborn or some of them. Still, the trend ended up being too many people doing it because crowd intelligence isn’t that high. The more I see, the more it appears like the twisted mirror image of the sacrifice of Christ.
He also foretold the destruction of Jerusalem as a result of their rejection of Himself, an event that entailed a lot more human suffering.
God reserves the right to judge and destroy nations, even the human race. He has done it before and He has continued to do it throughout history.
Trump utterly destroyed Clinton. But Clinton is still around.
Understand?
Jeremiah 7
16 “As for you, do not pray for this people, and do not lift up cry or prayer for them, and do not intercede with Me; for I do not hear you. 17 Do you not see what they are doing in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods in order to spite Me. 19 Do they spite Me?” declares the LORD. “Is it not themselves they spite, to their own shame?” 20 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, My anger and My wrath will be poured out on this place, on man and on beast and on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground; and it will burn and not be quenched.”
God is most righteous and just. There are some tribes (nations) that were annihilated, but these same people knew of the power and works of the living God of Israel and rejected Him. They had heard of the exodus and the miraculous battles of Israel yet they would still sacrifice their own children to their false god.
God even waited patiently until they were totally lost. When Abraham was receiving his promise from God His last explanation was crucial to His giving the promised land to Abraham's children of faith.
Gen 15:12-16
12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, terror and great darkness fell upon him. 13 God said to Abram, “Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, where they will be enslaved and oppressed four hundred years. 14 But I will also judge the nation whom they will serve, and afterward they will come out with many possessions. 15 As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you will be buried at a good old age. 16 Then in the fourth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete.”
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>> “Does God command people to commit genocide?” <<
Yes, he definitely did, with very good reason. They were a corrupted seed, not fully human.
>> “Can we worship such a God?” <<
Gladly, and abundantly!
He is the creator of all things, and failure to worship him denies our benefit of eternal life.
Why would you not want to worship him?
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>I often wondered about the origin of child sacrifice. It seems like a stupid thing to do if a society wants to thrive.
It’s a social status thing. The upper class wants to distinguish themselves from the lower classes so they pick a practice the lower classes find disgusting. Because the upper classes are doing the new practice, it becomes high status so the lower classes copy it, so the upper class has to find a new and more disgusting thing to do to distinguish themselves again. It’s a cycle that dying civilizations get themselves into when they’re no longer worried about external foes as the late Bronze age empires were.
You can see a similar pattern in our civilization as we decline and become pozed and degenerate.
A religion with sold morals is the solution to the problem which is why the Hebrews flourished and the people’s around them collapsed.
God was longsuffering with the those who lived in Canaan before the Jews were allowed to conquer the land.
This land had been promised to Abraham and his descendants.
See Gen 15:15,16:
15”As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you will be buried at a good old age. 16”Then in the fourth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete.”
“You” in verse 15 is Abraham.
God was allowing more time for the Canaanites to change their ways. When He removed the Jews from Egypt their task was to cleanse the land of Canann and take it for their own. Their disbelief in the desert casued a forty year delay in that action until Joshua took them across the Jordan after the death of Moses.
The Lord continually told of the destruction that was coming to the inhabitants of Canaan, especially to Moses and Joshua.
The Jewish people were warned no to intermarry because of the Canaanites false gods, their worship of idols, their worship orgies, and their sacrifice of their children to Moloch and Baal by fire.
Although initially the Jews adhered to such direction, they continually backslid until the northern 10 tribes(Israel) were deported to Ninevah by the Assyrians in 722 BC; and then the southern two tribes deported to Babylon in 606 BC/597 BC and 586 BC.
Remember God was willing to relent and not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah(and Admah and Zeboiim) if there were 10 righteous people.
Only Lot, his wife and two daughters were removed by the avenging angels(Lot’s wife disobeyed and looked back, turning into a pillar of salt).
As far as the Bible goes, it is true—every word.
And it tells an amazing story.
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