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To: Luircin; Elsie; Arthur McGowan; ealgeone; DungeonMaster
I don’t think I have any stake in this game; I’m not in the mood to get both sides turning on me because I believe in the Real Presence. But I do note how nasty OP remains to everyone else.

Well, you need to have the right version of the Real Presence, that of "the actual partaking of Christ in person," "the very body" "true and proper and lifegiving flesh and blood of Jesus Christ," whole and entire in His physical "reality,” "with His bodily organs and limb," His flesh being "corporeal, not spiritual" with the actual partaking being of Christ in person, hence literally,” yet not as "sensible, visible, tangible, or extended, although it is such in heaven," but under a "new mode of being," under the mere appearance of non-existent bread and wine, "in each particle and in each drop" until the bread or wine which no longer exist begin to decompose, but which scientifically test as bread and wine (thus persons with celiac disease suffer adverse effects to the non-existent gluten);

And which transubstantiation only a Catholic priest can effect, and sacrifice Christ who is "offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead and to obtain spiritual or temporal benefits from God," and "the work of our redemption is carried out,” "the manner alone of offering being different."

Which is then consumed as being “the medicine of immortality, the antidote for death, and the food that makes us live for ever in Jesus Christ," as as "You are what you eat and the Church becomes the Body of Christ by partaking of the Body of Christ—this is how we come to know Christ, who is Truth."

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If that is not the "Real Presence" you believe in, then due to the metaphysical contrivance of Catholicism you too are guilty of heresy, while a docetist Christ (who was real but only appeared to have a real physical body) seems more akin in concept to a "real" substantially present bodily christ who temporarily merely appears as a mere actually non-existent inanimate object, but real (according to the same tests by which His incarnated body would prove to be real).

178 posted on 11/23/2017 7:56:56 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212; Elsie

True, but I’m Lutheran, not Catholic. We don’t believe the same things as Catholics do.

But we also don’t believe in what evangelicals or most other Protestants do either.

That’s the reason I’m reluctant to participate in threads like these, because I almost always get arguments that are meant to be against Catholics or against evangelicals, but don’t apply to me, and people tend to get frustrated with me when I try to make that clear.

So what I believe can be found in the Augsburg Confession. It’s not transubstantiation. But I still believe that it’s the literal body and blood of Jesus, even if we don’t know HOW it happens. And the power doesn’t lie in any priest or any celebrant, but in the Word of God.


183 posted on 11/24/2017 8:08:20 AM PST by Luircin
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