[ealgeone]

The Lord's Prayer is a model for prayer. It is also a good prayer in itself. However, it is not the only way to pray to God.

I don't think anyone disputes there are saints in Heaven. However with Romam Catholicism's belief in purgatory you don't really know who is there or who is in purgatory.

[af_vet_1981]

The Lord's Prayer is a model for prayer. It is also a good prayer in itself. However, it is not the only way to pray to God.

I don't find the word "model" in the scriptures. Matthew uses οὕτως(thus, so, in this manner). Luke uses λέγω (say, speak). Did the Messiah give the apostles another prayer when they asked Him to teach them to pray ?

I don't think anyone disputes there are saints in Heaven.

Do you agree that Mary, the mother of "God with us" in heaven ?