Posted on 10/16/2017 8:57:59 AM PDT by Gamecock
"Now when Paul perceived that one part were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, 'Brothers, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees.
Acts 23:6 ESV
Folks DO change!
Likewise; when my brother arrives from out of state for a visit; he's never announced as, "Hey! Your mom's other son is here!"
Oh?
Where?
"Who is my mother and my brothers?"
John 12:48
Agreed.
Oh I hope so.
Not directly but there are scripture verses to say otherwise.
Mat 12:46-49 While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers!
Then there is this:
Joh 7:5-9 For not even his brothers believed in him. Jesus said to them, "My time has not yet come, but your time is always here. The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify about it that its works are evil. You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come." After saying this, he remained in Galilee.
And then there is this:
Gal_1:19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother.
So, yes, the scriptures do mention that Joseph and Mary had other brothers (and sisters). And, yes, the scriptures tells us that the Lord's brothers did not believe Him to be the Christ. And, yes, one of those brothers of Christ is specifically mentioned as James by Paul. It would make no sense to say "Who are my mother and cousins", "For not even his cousins believed him", or "except James the Lord's cousin".
People can twist the scriptures to say that "brother" means "cousin" but that logic does not fit into the context of these verses.
Let's ask this another way, do you think Joseph had sexual relationship with Mary after the birth of Jesus?
1 Corinthians 7:1-11
1 Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
Very good point.
Oh?
Where?
All of the scriptures mentioned refer to his brothers but they do not even indicate that they were the sons of Mary.
Let’s ask this another way, do you think Joseph had sexual relationship with Mary after the birth of Jesus?————————
I am inclined to not believe so, in some apocryphal writings it states that Joseph was forty years old when he married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others;
they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, “the Lord’s brother”).
A year or so later he took Mary as his wife so i doubt very much if they had sexual relations.
If we believe in the virgin birth then we believe God is real, we believe he is our creator from start to finish, we are in his hands.
This little girl was in Gods hands, i can not believe he would dump her out for grabs after she bore his holy child.
Maybe that is wishful thinking but there are no scriptures to refute it as far as i know unless they are just misunderstood.
What difference does it make?
Apocryphal writings are not inspired scripture. So while Jesus raising dead birds to life when He was a child might sound very nice, there is no historical or inspired confirmation about such events. Same with Joseph.
This little girl was in Gods hands, i can not believe he would dump her out for grabs after she bore his holy child.
Mary wasn't dump out for grabs after Christ was born. God doesn't dump any of us out. The honorable Joseph was considering what to do about Mary and his situation when God intervene. Joseph disappears between Christ's twelve birthday and the time they are standing in front of the house. So that would mean at least twelve years (and most likely more) would go by in which time Joseph and Mary would not have sex. I think Elsie brings up a very important verse that would contradict this claim if one considers Joseph to be a righteous man.
Just because one is forty doesn't mean they give up having sex.
I was asking for the lurkers...
Based on WHAT?
Did Joe just need someone to make him sandwiches and change the channel?
ASk any 75 year old dudes if THEY have given it up!
For all we know, Christ could have had a spouse. There's certainly no legitimate theological dogma that says He couldn't have a wife.
Why would anyone find the idea threatening?
2) They make assumptions from bits and pieces of scriptural text that doesn't say much of anything.
3) They ignore other scripture references that contradicts what they are claiming.
4) They use external sources to support their views.
5) They fail to understand the cultural and historical situation and the whole context of scripture.
Mat 19:12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it."
Paul states the same thing:
1Co 7:6-8 Now as a concession, not a command, I say this. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am.
No, our Lord was not married and deliberately stayed single for the sake of the kingdom.
And, yes, there is far more support that Mary had sex with Joseph AFTER the birth of our Lord Jesus. Otherwise Joseph would have gone against scripture. There is nothing wrong with Mary and Joseph having sex. People need to read the Songs of Solomon.
People get all sorts of heretical ideas instead of studying the word of God.
For all we know, Christ could have had seven fingers on each hand.
Dan Brown is a atheist.
Why would anyone find the idea threatening?
Uh...
...because there's certainly no legitimate Christian writings (Scripture) that say He did!
Once you start specklatin' what have COULD have happened or what MIGHT have happened; all types of crazy stuff can pollute the Word of GOD!
There's a REASON this verse is in the bible:
1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit,so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying,"Do not go beyond what is written."Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.
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