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[ealgeone]

Luke 35 And the angel said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born[h] will be called holy, the Son of God.

You own the bad translation.

The translation isn't the problem...it's the title assigned to Mary as "Mother of God" by Roman Catholicism that is the problem.

It conveys a meaning way more than what is indicated in Scripture.

[Excellence]

You get more flies with honey than vinegar.

[ealgeone]

You get more flies with honey than vinegar.

In my dealings with people on these threads and in real life conversations I've found most don't want to be challenged in what they believe. Understandable.

In these forums I try to use what Rome has produced and compare it to the Bible. Often I find the two are in contradiction. I point this out. Many Roman Catholics don't like this. Some get downright hostile and resort to personal attacks and/or profanity. That's fine. It's a free forum.

Some engage in meaningful conversations.

Paul used both approaches depending on the circumstances.

He called the Galatians foolish because they had seemingly departed the faith for another faith.

Other times he used words such as brothers, faithful brothers when writing to the Thessalonians and Colossians.

As Christians we are not called to "live and let live." Those who are wrong often do not see the error of their way. Paul did not take this approach. He actively challenged people with the Gospel.

Christ did command us to go and make disciples of all the nations. This requires action on our part.

[af_vet_1981]

Isn't the command of Christ to go out into all the nations and to make them disciples?

The Messiah gave that command to His holy apostles.

Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

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Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.



Matthew, Catholic chapter twenty eight, Protestant verses sixteen to twenty,
Mark, Catholic chapter sixteen, Protestant verses fourteen to fifteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[ealgeone]

Does that not apply to all believers? To go out and make disciples?

[af_vet_1981]

Does that not apply to all believers? To go out and make disciples?

I just posted the scriptures; that commandment was specifically given to the eleven holy apostles, who with the prophets, are the foundation of His church, with the Messiah Himself as the chief cornerstone.

There is a tradition by which that command can apply to others. It is called apostolic succession.

Of course then we have the other powers conferred upon the holy apostles to consider, binding and loosing as well as the power to forgive or retain sins.

[ealgeone]

Are you saying only priests can witness?

[af_vet_1981]

Are you saying only priests can witness?

By no means; what I wrote is plain and straightforward. The command about which you inquired was given to the holy apostles.

[ealgeone]

Depending on how we define apostle that command ended with the 11.

I don't think that's the case.

Was Paul able to do all the 11 did?

[af_vet_1981]

Depending on how we define apostle that command ended with the 11.

No, it does not depend on our definition. There is one holy catholic apostolic church which the Messiah built on the holy apostles and prophets with Himself as the chief cornerstone. He gave the keys of the kingdom of heaven to the Apostle Cephas/Peter, as well as the authority to bind and loose. He promised the gates of hell would not prevail against this church.

[ealgeone]

No, it does not depend on our definition. There is one holy catholic apostolic church which the Messiah built on the holy apostles and prophets with Himself as the chief cornerstone. He gave the keys of the kingdom of heaven to the Apostle Cephas/Peter, as well as the authority to bind and loose. He promised the gates of hell would not prevail against this church.

Did this apply to Paul?

[af_vet_1981]

Was Paul able to do all the 11 did?

Did you never read in the scriptures ?

And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight. Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

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But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

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Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord? If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

Acts, Catholic chapter nine, Protestant verses ten to sixteen,
Galatians, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses five to seven,
First Corinthians, Catholic chapter nine, Protestant verses one to two,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[ealgeone]

Just wanted to be sure you thought this extended to Paul.

This illustrates that God can call anyone to the ministry without having to go through the original 11.

[af_vet_1981]

Just wanted to be sure you thought this extended to Paul.

Yes

This illustrates that God can call anyone to the ministry without having to go through the original 11.

No

Not just anyone; the resurrected Messiah appeared to Saul and called him to be an apostle. The Apostle Paul remained in communion and fellowship with the one holy catholic apostolic church.