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To: Louis Foxwell

I am not sure exactly the method of judgement but, we are told the books will be opened and we will be judged from them. I am supposing all our acts are recorded somewhere and that we will have to answer for them. Before you flame me please continue reading. . . . .

We, all of us are sinners. None of us deserve any kind of reward, we have all failed the test so to speak. Because God loves us, He sent His Son into the world to be punished for our sins. Taking advantage of that punishment however is not automatic. This is where it gets controversial.

Some say that if you confess Jesus as your Lord then all is forgiven, forever. Others say, well not quite. It is easy to say you confess Jesus but if you only talk the talk but don’t walk the walk then you don’t really get the benefits package after all.

Doctrine according to Joe (that’s me by the way) says that option number two is more correct. Some will say that means you believe that works save you. No, I do not believe works save you. Faith in The Lord Jesus Christ makes you eligible for Grace that He offers to those that FOLLOW Him. The big problem is who follows Him. I think that is what the books are for. When we are kind to our fellow man it is recorded and you can say you are walking the walk. When you are mean, unkind or whatever then you are not walking the walk and that too is recorded. All of us at sometimes do bad things to other people. If we realize our sin and repent and then ask forgiveness of it The Lord will likely scratch that out of the record.

I suspect that there is nobody that will repent of every bad thing they have done but they may have tried. I am very much hopeful that The Lord will give us an E for effort and forgive us even if we haven’t asked but that it will be a judgement call.

I am unwilling, after reading many times the New Testament, to believe in the doctrine of once saved always saved or that simply saying “Jesus is Lord” will save me from anything. While we are all sinners, Jesus abhors sin. If we don’t abhor sin we will not be with Jesus in my humble opinion. If we are constantly doing things we shouldn’t then we don’t really abhor sin. Good luck with that lifestyle come judgement day.

For those who genuinely try The Good Lord will stand with them on judgement day and tell The Father that He has already been punished for those sins and that He will deal now with that person, that person is His. I hope He claims me. I’m trying to be like Jesus, I think that is what it takes.

Don’t misunderstand me, I’m trying to be simple here, certainly there must be things you must do to show you are His like being baptized, but following Jesus, trying to be like Him brings us to these things.

We could argue on the points of who can baptize or what method works, but, those things are unimportant until you decide to follow Him, until you feel sorrow for your sin, until you are willing to repent and then ask forgiveness.

I suspect that doing these things will bring you to Christ in the end.

Has works got anything to do with it? No. But if you don’t have any good works I doubt you are trying to be like Jesus.


11 posted on 09/18/2017 9:14:47 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig
I am unwilling, after reading many times the New Testament, to believe in the doctrine of once saved always saved or that simply saying “Jesus is Lord” will save me from anything.

God guarantees our salvation.

However, I don't know anyone who teaches a doctrine that simply saying *Jesus is Lord* will save anyone.

Where did you hear that?

15 posted on 09/18/2017 9:53:18 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: JAKraig

Paul is most helpful in understanding salvation. He talks, as did Jesus, of becoming a new man. Without being born of the Spirit there is no life in Christ. He also spoke about the fruits of the spirit as evidence of salvation. We are never far removed from sin but our sin can be absolved as quickly as it occurs if we are reborn in the spirit of Christ. Our works are truly not ours but are of the Spirith who lives in us.
Paul also spoke of a seared conscience in which repetitive sin hardens us to feeling the prick of conscience. This is the most pernicious of sin because it becomes a principality, an invested body of action/thought/sentiment that must be torn down if we are to survive its power. It is only by being in Christ that we can overcome these terrors. We have brought them upon ourselves and we are incapable of ridding ourselves of them. They are of many sorts: lying, stealing, all manner of perversion, pride, hate, self gratification, and on and on.
We must ask Christ to guide our steps and lead us into the fullness of life He promises. Salvation, life in Christ, is not of my doing. I can take no credit in it lest I boast and believe myself capable of saving myself.
We are each on a journey. Our lives bear witness to our condition.


17 posted on 09/18/2017 10:05:23 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Progressivism is 2 year olds in a poop fight.)
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To: JAKraig

Can We Influence How the Lord will Judge Us?


First; He's gonna look in His FAITHbook; to see if you have an account or not...



Daniel 12:1
 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
 
 
Philippians 4:3
 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
 

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
 

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 
 
Revelation 17:8
 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
 
 
Revelation 20:11-15
"Then I saw a great White Throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. Another book was opened WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
 
 
Revelation 21:27
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
 
 

31 posted on 09/18/2017 6:12:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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