Posted on 08/12/2017 7:16:17 PM PDT by ebb tide
"Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them. Whose sins you shall retain, they are retained." If you can't see that you are contradicting these explicit words of Jesus, you are wasting your time owning a Bible--or any other printed material. http://biblehub.com/john/20-23.htm
And how did they forgive or retain sins.....see Acts 2.
No one was excluded.... John 3:16 clearly states if we should believe.... we will be granted eternal life.
We are saved by God’s grace and grace alone... There is nothing man can do to earn it... Thus, they can never give glory to themselves.... For it is God’s alone....
I was born into the Catholic Church and by the time I was 14, I decided that going the "agnostic route" made as much sense. Took me another 35 years to clearly hear the message of the Gospel in a non-denominational church and be saved.
It is not I who is contradicting anything...I just posted scriptures of Jesus that contradicts what you have posted...
The bible doesn't end at the book of John, or even acts...In fact the epistles to the Gentile churches starts at the book of Romans...
Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints
1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
2Co 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) Gal 1:2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
You post obscure scripture that gives no explanation and was never recorded to have been put into practice (which indicates it may be a future prophecy)...Your religion invents it's own doctrine outside of the scriptures which contradicts the rest of the scriptures and the epistles written specifically to the churches...
Eph_4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
1Ti_1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
So ironically, those epistles written to the churches that you guys ignore apparently from unfamiliararity warns us in many places about your religion...
I don't see how you can consider yourself to be a purvayer of scritpure when you can't even discuss the scriptures outside of the talking points of your religion...Where did you learn that??? Certainly not from the apostle to the Gentile church...
Act_20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
You're a priest, and you can't even discuss the bible??? You were never required to study the bible, right??? And it's clear you do not possess the desire for the pure milk of the word, let alone the meat...
1Pe_2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
Did not mean any offense.... I just get a bit disturbed when I read we in some way can earn forgiveness and salvation through works...
God’s grace is what separates our religion from all others... It is about Him only... Not us.
Very thankful for such!
"You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell?"
[Matthew 23:33]
"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell."
[Luke 16:22]
Where did the Bible come from?
“Even the very dust of your city that cleaveth to us, we wipe off against you. Yet know this, that the kingdom of God is at hand. I say to you, it shall be more tolerable at that day for Sodom, than for that city. Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida. For if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the mighty works that have been wrought in you, they would have done penance long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgement, than for you. And thou, Capharnaum, which art exalted unto heaven, thou shalt be thrust down to hell.”
[Luke 10: 11-15]
Amen! Didn’t offend me at all.
Galatians 5:4 - You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
In Luke 16, Lazarus was poor and "longing to eat the scraps that fell from the rich man's table. The rich guy showed no charity.
Also, remember that while Jesus was [reaching what would come in the New Covenant that God had promised, He was also living under the Old Covenant and much of what He said was in conformance to the Covenant He lived under - and He also had to be the only Man to walk the Earth without breaking the Old Covenant.
John gave us baptism and he told us: "Behold, the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world"..... John 1:29, 36
Was he a loony-toon except for the baptism part?
Even in its 'abridged" format, many opt to take certain parts out of context and ignore that Jesus lived under the Old Covenant (New Covenant didn't start until he had risen).
Please add something to your question and you might find some folks who are more qualified to answer it....I was saved in a non-denominational church (after missing the message in 14 years as a catholic) and the Bible is a guide to Salvation - and Jesus walked the Earth as fully God and fully Man so we could relate to him and develop a personal relationship. It contains everything one needs to make the decision on whether or not to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior and doesn't allow for mortals to make the decision as to whether or not we have been saved by Faith in the Blood of Jesus.
Also, He was still living in the Old Covenant and had not shed His blood that the sins of others might be washed away if they decided to accept Him.
But I thought you said,"We are saved by God’s grace and grace alone...
But now you're contradicting yourself by throwing in "charity", i.e. "works". You can't cherry-pick the bible to your own liking.
Do you even believe in Hell?
Accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior is the only path to Heaven and under the New Covenant, it is by Faith and Faith (in His loving sacrifice) alone that we are saved..
You are the one who has been cherry-picking passages w/o keeping them in context.
So you think every Christian goes to Heaven?
Good luck with that “belief”.
Those who were rebuked for having fallen from Grace were still trying to be worthy of their own efforts by trying to do the impossible by following the Law that nobody but Christ could follow in order to help save themselves instead of acknowledging His incredible gift of Love.
The pharisees were roundly castigated for primping and preening their piousness in public displays while not having God/Christ in their hearts. What makes any other mortal more deserving of belief in them than the pharisees? Pomp and rituals?
Gladly!
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