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And this is why I don’t like when threads turn into this, heh...

Total aside, not attacking you of course.

But it’s VERY difficult to try to argue in favor of the Lutheran position/what I believe without either A: getting lumped in with the non-Biblical Catholic understanding of the Lord’s Supper, or B: Getting lumped in with what I don’t believe on the other side.

And the tendency of some Catholic posters around to try to do the ‘let’s you and him fight’ thing or just be unbearably smug when we non-Caths debate makes me want to avoid trying to talk about it at all.

I think it isn't such a bad thing, actually. You already know, or I hope you know, that I respect you a lot and believe that we agree on probably most all of the major tenets of Christianity. I don't at all disparage the Lutheran view of the Lord's Supper or most any because, like I stated earlier, what matters is that the person who participates in the ordinance together with other believers is doing so in faith.

My main beef with the Roman Catholic view is the insistence that ALL Christians must hold the same dogmatic belief as they do (even though a large percentage of RCs DON'T) and that they declare the "Eucharist" makes expiation for sins rather than the Biblical view that the cross of Christ made PROPITIATION for all our sins - took them away once for all. And that the Mass is necessary for salvation.

WRT the common tactic of some here to pit opponents against each other, most of us are well aware and seldom fall prey to it. What does concern me even more is the lack of a defense from RCs on threads where we ARE in agreement on some of the major tenets (i.e.; the Trinity, the Deity of Jesus). There have been numerous threads where the ONLY ones presenting the historical Christian view are the Protestants/Evangelicals/Non-Caths. That puzzles me because it comes across as they are only interested in arguing with us and criticizing our faith - something, ironically, they accuse us of doing!

So, please feel free to speak about what you believe and why you believe it. It only helps to make these threads more informative and less flammable. ;o)

I think it isn't such a bad thing, actually. You already know, or I hope you know, that I respect you a lot and believe that we agree on probably most all of the major tenets of Christianity. I don't at all disparage the Lutheran view of the Lord's Supper or most any because, like I stated earlier, what matters is that the person who participates in the ordinance together with other believers is doing so in faith.

My main beef with the Roman Catholic view is the insistence that ALL Christians must hold the same dogmatic belief as they do (even though a large percentage of RCs DON'T) and that they declare the "Eucharist" makes expiation for sins rather than the Biblical view that the cross of Christ made PROPITIATION for all our sins - took them away once for all. And that the Mass is necessary for salvation.

WRT the common tactic of some here to pit opponents against each other, most of us are well aware and seldom fall prey to it. What does concern me even more is the lack of a defense from RCs on threads where we ARE in agreement on some of the major tenets (i.e.; the Trinity, the Deity of Jesus). There have been numerous threads where the ONLY ones presenting the historical Christian view are the Protestants/Evangelicals/Non-Caths. That puzzles me because it comes across as they are only interested in arguing with us and criticizing our faith - something, ironically, they accuse us of doing!

So, please feel free to speak about what you believe and why you believe it. It only helps to make these threads more informative and less flammable. ;o)