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To: MHGinTN

“I learned long ago that a pwerfect chronological order to the Revelation is not there.”

I agree. There are many things which can be demonstrated to be out of chronological order.

However, the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 bowls are in a specific sequence which is chronological.

The 7 seals specifically correspond to the “signs” the disciples wanted to know would announce His coming. They are also the signs of the “end,” though Christ’s return is itself one final sign of the end.


48 posted on 07/06/2017 3:50:40 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: unlearner
Actually, the seals, trumpets and bowls do not belong on the same timeline; they are not sequential in that regard.

The beginning of Chapter 4 is, in my studies, the Rapture of the Bride, The Body of Christ. Those who come up to the Throne Room thereafter are not The Bride. But they are in Heaven because they washed their graments in the Blood of The Lamb )Rev 7 and again in Rev 12)

Here is an example of what I meant by changing perspective and different timelines:

Rev 7:13“Who are these people wearing white robes,” one of the elders asked me, “and where did they come from?”
14I told him, “Sir, you know.”
Then he told me, “These are the people who are coming out of the terrible suffering. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.

Then again in Rev 12:

Rev12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say,
“Now the salvation, the power, the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah have come.

For the one who accuses our brothers, who accuses them day and night in the presence of our God, has been thrown out.

11 Our brothers conquered him by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they did not cling to their lives even in the face of death.

The perspective has changed to a separate group who believe in The Lamb of God. The timeline is also in a different orientation and the woman is Israel and the boy she gives birth to is The Messiah Who was taken away to Heaven so the dragon could not devour Him. Thus we know these are Jews now in focus, not Christians or the Bride of Christ.

I am sorry I do not have a quiet enough space now to respond more in detail, but I will confess I do not believe the Tribulation is not the wrath of God upon the Earth, for the white horse rider with a bow and no arrows is anti-Christ. He is revealed as a false Christ. And the Tribulation begins with a catastrophe then the anti-chrsit brings peace to a devastated world, allowing the Temple to be rebuilt even. But int he middle of the 7 years he defiles the Holy Place declaring himself to be god. The strong delusion is part of the way God's increasing wrath is revealed. This revelation of God dealing with the earth dwellers left behind is what triggers so many to heed the evangelism of the 144,000 JEWSIH evangelists, and thus be slaughtered and end up in Heaven for the Wedding Feast of the Bride and Bridegroom.

53 posted on 07/06/2017 7:07:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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