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To: Safrguns

That is fine, I can see your point, although I am not teaching that salvation is in any way our work, I agree that “Salvation belongs to God” and God alone. The point of this article is that people are indeed in a slumber, they need to wake up and to be roused out of their slumber by God, and through prayer, and that there are a good many who need a confrontation, a clear revelation of the choice between reality, or to go back to comfortable illusion.I just thought the saying Red Pill moment was very analogous to people being awakened to the reality that is around them. Thanks for the input.

I didn’t see where the “Red Pill” was related to hardship , other than the fact that reality is harsher than illusion for the short term.


5 posted on 06/27/2017 7:24:24 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (ore and rebuild Jerusalem)
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To: pastorbillrandles

>>> That is fine, I can see your point, although I am not teaching that salvation is in any way our work, I agree that “Salvation belongs to God” and God alone.

Thanks for seeing my point. I see yours as well.

I like analogies... they can be very helpful.
Unfortunately, they can also send unintended messages.

If I were to attempt to improve upon the analogy, I would submit that the red pill is actually representative of false religion... giving those who know they are guilty a means of finding self forgiveness or self righteousness without actually being saved.

I recall an episode from star trek that had some similarities with the matrix... where the characters were caught in a virtual reality or illusion which seemed real.

Once they realized they were in a simulation, they sought escape... and the antagonist/villain conveniently gave them one which presented the illusion they were back on their ship.... and in order for them to break the cycle, they had to identify the true source of the illusion. I mention this, because in order expand upon my correction, I would note that Neo did not have to take a pill in order to “wake up” to reality. It just happened... and the aliens immediately tried to destroy him when it did. The red and blue pills were something offered by the aliens to those within the matrix as a means of compromise in order to prevent everyone from leaving... but we never saw the actual outcome of that... now did we?

I see this as the problem in the body of Christ today. We go to church and sing our songs and read our bible, and think our religious practices is evidence that we are free.
Too many churches have succumbed to the pressures of society and accepted the cool-aid of coexistence and gender neutrality. We don’t stand up anymore against what is clearly wrong... we don’t study doctrine anymore... and most unfortunately we rarely apply God’s teachings to our daily lives. We just talk about how good things are going to be for us when we go to heaven.

If we are looking for a reason why christians are not going to church, I would submit that the real problem is with elites and leaders within the church organizations who are not willing to go to war with the enemy... not the individual christians who are experiencing their red-pill moments. (slap not intended for you personally... I have seen this pretty much everywhere)

We perish due to our lack of knowledge.


8 posted on 06/28/2017 1:12:42 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: pastorbillrandles
I didn’t see where the “Red Pill” was related to hardship

I do.

because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

I always think of this from 2 Thessalonians when I see what is happening today.

When you see people parade around their children as being trans gender, when you see liberals support Sharia, when you see Hollywood celebs support the assassination of the president, I think of that line. Then I think, these people are happy in their delusions while everyone else has to suffer because of it.

9 posted on 06/28/2017 8:00:15 AM PDT by dragonblustar (I love reading Trump tweets in the morning.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Although, saying that, I’ve noticed that when things get more insane in our society, I find myself wanting to run to God more than when times I thought were good.


10 posted on 06/28/2017 8:13:13 AM PDT by dragonblustar (I love reading Trump tweets in the morning.)
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