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Amoris Laetitia: Year One
The Catholic Thing ^ | June 27, 2017 | Fr. Gerald E. Murray

Posted on 06/27/2017 3:20:18 PM PDT by ebb tide

The request for a Papal Audience by the four Cardinals who submitted the five dubia on Amoris Laetitia to Pope Francis in September 2016 is an encouraging sign for everyone dismayed by the doctrinal confusion that the Church is currently experiencing. Cardinals Caffara, Brandmüller, Burke, and Meisner have acted with fortitude and filial deference in asking Pope Francis to put an end to this situation fraught with danger for the Church.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: adutery; francischurch; heresy
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1 posted on 06/27/2017 3:20:18 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide; Religion Moderator

This thread can not be a “Catholic Caucus” in accordance with the “current guidelines” because this article references the letter by the Cardinals which mentions those Catholics who take sedevacantist positions.


2 posted on 06/27/2017 3:30:24 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: piusv

I looked up what you said, and I agree with you. Ebb tide posts bad things about the current Pope and then claims to be a Catholic. He doesn’t realize that he is just a true believer in Jesus Christ. Jesus has sent this Pope to see who has been paying attention to the real Word of God.


3 posted on 06/27/2017 3:49:42 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: SubMareener

And my post was removed! This letter specifically discusses those that hold the sedevacantist position.


4 posted on 06/27/2017 3:51:17 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: SubMareener; piusv

A non-Catholic supporting a sedevacantist.

Why am I not surprised?


5 posted on 06/27/2017 4:11:30 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

You totally misunderstand my position. I support Pope Francis completely! I think that he is exactly the Pope that is needed for these end-times! I also think that all the Popes since the beginning with Peter have been selected by Abba Father YHWH, either as a blessing or a curse. This current Pope is obviously of the curse variety.

He is here to test your faith! He may be going to perdition, but you are not! Accept it, ebb tide, you have been forgiven1 You are saved!


6 posted on 06/27/2017 6:43:02 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: SubMareener
I support Pope Francis completely!

That's your first problem.

The second one is that you're not a Catholic.

7 posted on 06/27/2017 7:06:00 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

Only supporters of Pope Francis can be Roman Catholic.

In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is the Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a “supernatural sense of faith” the People of God, under the guidance of the Church’s living Magisterium, “unfailingly adheres to this faith.”

The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful—who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. . . . The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter’s successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium,” above all in an Ecumenical Council. When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine “for belief as being divinely revealed,” and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions “must be adhered to with the obedience of faith.” This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.


8 posted on 06/27/2017 7:19:23 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: SubMareener

Are you a Roman Catholic?


9 posted on 06/27/2017 7:27:04 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: SubMareener

You are mistaken. The Pope is only assured by Christ that he speaks infallibly when he speaks excathedra on a matter of Catholic doctrine.

And True papal infallibility does not extend anywhere.


10 posted on 06/27/2017 7:30:52 PM PDT by Mother Mary
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To: SubMareener

No orthodox Catholic would support a pope in promoting adultery.


11 posted on 06/27/2017 7:30:58 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: SubMareener

You are a nut. What is your game? You keep saying dumb and stupid things on Catholic threads ——

you aren’t even Catholic and don’t know what you are talking about. Us Catholics can tell that right off.

Sheesh -— give it up. ie., get lost.


12 posted on 06/27/2017 7:53:40 PM PDT by PraiseTheLord
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To: Mother Mary; ebb tide

I am a member of the one catholic and apostolic church. If you want to call yourself a “Roman Catholic” then you have to believe the Pope cannot say “anything wrong regarding his teaching on faith and morals.” So if the Pope says adultery, and buggery are OK, then “Roman Catholics” got to believe that Jesus has changed His mind on these things and has told the Pope. Otherwise, you are not a Roman Catholic, you are a VICTOR! Read the Book!

http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/2
http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/3

http://www.whateverycatholicshouldknow.com/wecsk/pope_infallibility.htm

#891 “The Roman Pontiff... enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith - he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals... This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.”

#890 “The pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church’s shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals.”

#2051 “The infallibility of the Magisterium of the Pastors extends to all the elements of doctrine, including moral doctrine, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, expounded, or observed.”


13 posted on 06/27/2017 8:37:34 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: SubMareener

Do you support adultery?

Are you a Roman Catholic? Yes or No.


14 posted on 06/27/2017 8:40:54 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: SubMareener
So if the Pope says adultery, and buggery are OK, then “Roman Catholics” got to believe that Jesus has changed His mind on these things and has told the Pope.

Yet you complained in your post #3, "Ebb tide posts bad things about the current Pope and then claims to be a Catholic."

So do you support adultery and buggery? You have already said, " I support Pope Francis completely!"

15 posted on 06/27/2017 8:47:06 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

No and No! No one who has read the Bible would “support adultery” and no one who has actually read the Bible would be a Roman Catholic, unless they were “brought up in the Church” or it was the only Church available.


16 posted on 06/27/2017 8:54:16 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: SubMareener

Then why do you fully support Bergoglio?


17 posted on 06/27/2017 9:02:12 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: SubMareener

>>and no one who has actually read the Bible would be a Roman Catholic<<

Given the fact that the Roman Catholic Church assembled the books of the Bible, I say you are misguided.


18 posted on 06/27/2017 9:12:32 PM PDT by Mother Mary
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To: ebb tide

Because he is allowing faithful Christians, such as you, to see the truth about the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to say that they hate the evils perpetrated by organized religion. As I have said many times: the Bible says it will be one on one, you and Jesus, when you get your reward or at the White Throne Judgement.


19 posted on 06/27/2017 9:19:04 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: SubMareener

So why do you complain when I post what you consider to be negative posts about Pope Francis?


20 posted on 06/27/2017 9:21:51 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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