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To: aMorePerfectUnion

In the New Testament, we find two instances of God working through objects related to holy people. The first comes from the Gospel of Mark and is related to Jesus:

When she heard about Jesus, she came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak, because she thought, “If I just touch his clothes, I will be healed.” Immediately her bleeding stopped and she felt in her body that she was freed from her suffering. (Mark 5.27-29)
And the second comes from the book of Acts and is related to the Apostle Paul:

God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. (Acts 19.11-12)
We can see in both the Old and the New Testaments the precedence for thinking that God could work miracles through each of the kinds of relics: a first degree relic in the case of Elisha’s body, a second degree relic in the case of Jesus’ clothes, and a third degree relic in the case of the the items Paul had touched. Technically, the Church holds any object related to Christ to be a first degree relic since Jesus is, after all, God incarnate, but the point here is that there is a clear precedence in Scripture for thinking that God could work a miracle through the belonging of a holy person.


13 posted on 06/18/2017 2:27:25 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: narses

I missed in Scripture ever recorded someone worshipping, idolizing, praying to them, or fondling and kissing them.

“Come out from among them and be holy.”


17 posted on 06/18/2017 2:39:06 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: narses

100% misleading. It was faith that healed. People had faith that if they just touched something, they’d be healed. It was no object, but their faith alone. They believed they would be healed and were healed.

Trying to tie that into objects is naive at best, and intentionally deceiving at the worst. Kind of like the Roman Catholic Church. Intentionally deceiving.


36 posted on 06/18/2017 3:17:25 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: narses; aMorePerfectUnion

Dear narses

Relics have no supernatural power, in and of themselves.

The relics or articles of clothing that physically touched or were worn by Jesus or Paul, in and of themselves, do not have power to heal.

The power to heal comes from the faith of those who needed a miracle in the person of Jesus Christ. “If I can just touch the hem of his garment” infers her faith in the person to whom the garment belonged.

These scriptures about articles of clothing etc., are extrapolations of how the Centurion’s servant was healed without Jesus personally laying hands upon him...

And Jesus commended the Centurion for His great faith BECAUSE he did not ask Christ to go and physically lay hands on the man.

Notice the Centurion didn’t ask for an article of Christ’s clothing, he just believed that Jesus was who He said He was: God incarnate.


94 posted on 06/18/2017 5:48:12 PM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus: please expose, unveil and then frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised...)
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