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Stop the Presses! Human Evolution Falsified!
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | June 8, 2017 | David F. Coppedge

Posted on 06/09/2017 11:01:38 AM PDT by fishtank

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To: RFEngineer
May I ask, who is the present keeper of the theory of evolution? Where can I find its precepts most articulately and succinctly expressed?

As I intimated previously, all the people I know who claim to believe in evolution have no deeper understanding of it than I do. Sure, evolution sounded good in my 7th grade "life science" class. Kinda sounds like BS to me now. But all I've studied since then is a Microbiology class in 10th grade and a survey Botany course sophomore year in college.

I don't read evolutionary biology journals for fun, nor would I be inclined to trust them now anyway, Lysenkoism being the dominant form of scientific inquiry these days.

101 posted on 06/09/2017 4:05:55 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I’m more a defender of scientific inquiry,, than I am a defender of evolution. No theory is ever perfect, so words like “lie” aren’t really applicable to a legitimate scientific exploration, properly and openly documented.

I’d suggest reading Darwin’s book. Be skeptical, but also realize that 150 years later people are still talking about it.

After that Google to your hearts contenr.


102 posted on 06/09/2017 4:22:03 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Izzy Dunne

If America evolved from England, then why is England still around?


Non sequitur.


103 posted on 06/09/2017 4:32:35 PM PDT by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: KittenClaws
If apes had evolved into humans then all apes should have evolved, but haven't.

Your statement shows a fundamental misunderstanding evolutionary theory. They all evolved from earlier common ancestors. Some evolved into humans, some into gorillas or chimps. Nobody says humans evolved from gorillas or chimps.

As for "where did x come from" you can also ask "where did God come from"? Not being able to answer every question doesn't mean all the asnwers suggested by evidence are false. Disproving one part of a theory doesn't disprove the whole thing. Science doesn't work that way. Divine revelation does though. If you say the Bible is 100% the literal word of God, then disproving even one part of it disproves that contention.

104 posted on 06/09/2017 4:34:56 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: RFEngineer
Well, the problem is, I'm too busy trying to earn a living cutting metal to dimensions within .001" to worry about where birds' wings came from.

But my larger point is that almost no evolution "supporters" have any more knowledge of the subject than I do,, which I documented previously. And yet, they "believe" it, almost entirely because it was something they wanted to believe. But that's called "science," and not faith. And I am Catholic, lol, I don't even have to believe in evolution. Have we ever witnessed a species changing into another because of random genetic mutations?

105 posted on 06/09/2017 4:41:38 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Hugin

So what caused some of the common ancestors to evolve into apes and others into humans? Random genetic mutations? The influence of external environmental influences? What are apes evolving into now? What are we?


106 posted on 06/09/2017 4:44:17 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: fishtank

Read all about it!

107 posted on 06/09/2017 4:46:43 PM PDT by mc5cents (Pray for America)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Wow, that was redundantly repetitive.


108 posted on 06/09/2017 4:51:15 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
But my larger point is that almost no evolution "supporters" have any more knowledge of the subject than I do,,

VERY perceptive of you.

I have a standing challenge to any advocate of evolution to watch "Dragons: a fantasy made real" and tell me what, beside any overt admissions in the faux-documentary, lets you know this is fiction as opposed to the Discovery Channel's normal "science" fare?

The fact is most "scientifically literate" laymen are no more informed than those who listened to Orson Well's "War of the Worlds."

109 posted on 06/09/2017 4:54:45 PM PDT by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: papertyger
The thing is, my intelligence, as determined from every available metric, put me in the upper 5% of US schoolchildren. I went to very good private schools, and yet, I took only 2 Biology classes in my life.

I know full well I could understand a theory of evolution as well as I can understand the "law" of gravity: "throw something up, and it will fall down;" but no one can put it like that that.

"Natural selection," "Survival of the fittest?" Yeah, I know what those those purport to mean, but it's the not just the mechanics of it, how is that even observable? Biology is not geology.

110 posted on 06/09/2017 5:07:15 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
So what caused some of the common ancestors to evolve into apes and others into humans? Random genetic mutations? The influence of external environmental influences?

If random mutations help them survive under external environmental influences and reproduce, those would be passed along more often.

What are apes evolving into now?

Who knows? Maybe nothing. Probably more species die out than evolve into something else. Others are quite well adapted and don't need to change. Sharks have been around for hundreds of millions of years. Check back in a million years and see.

What are we?

The great existential question. One for philosophy more than science.

111 posted on 06/09/2017 5:09:09 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: tomkat

Who’s Shirley????


112 posted on 06/09/2017 5:11:38 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Hugin

I can understand evolution of a species. As an example, there are many different breeds of dogs and cats. Dogs have a common ancestor, so do cats...but they are all still basically cats and dogs.

Same for humans. Surely we have evolved to thrive in our geographic location (and other influences), but we have always been human. When God threw Adam and Eve from the garden, he clothed them in skins of animals - it makes a case for cro magnum man. (Did I say that right?)

But, humans have always been humans, regardless of their human evolution. A dog or a cat does not have an elephant as a common ancestor even though an elephant (or Woolley mammoth) has the same basic layout as a cat or a dog. The common ancestor to dog may be a wolf, the common ancestor to cat may be the saber tooth, but they are still dogs and cats.

It makes no sense to me that a human would have any common ancestor that is not human. Two arms two legs and a foul personality does not make a case for an ape and a human to have a common ancestor. Our only
common ancestors are Adam and Eve, regardless of where the atheist thinks they came from.

I have no idea where God came from. Not a clue. I do know that it is difficult for modern man to accept the premise of a God. It is a bit disconcerting to know there is an entity that created you, that you are only clay in the potters wheel.


113 posted on 06/09/2017 5:16:46 PM PDT by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: Hugin
At what frequency do random genetic mutations occur?

At what rate do beneficial, non-deleterious, genetic mutations occur?

At what rate do random, non-deleterious, environment-specific genetic mutations occur, ones of such significance, that they would provide a dominant advantage to their offspring above all others?

Have we observed such , are we observing such presently?

114 posted on 06/09/2017 5:20:56 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

How old do you think the world is?


115 posted on 06/09/2017 5:23:25 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: fishtank

Creationists don’t believe in fossils. However, the Moroccan fossils are a fascinating find.

Great post!


116 posted on 06/09/2017 5:23:40 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: KittenClaws

As an example, there are many different breeds of dogs and cats.


Yes and with all that breeding, dogs, cat, and hogs will revert to their wild genetics within a few generations. What you are seeing is gene expression. The original genetics are still there..............


117 posted on 06/09/2017 5:33:03 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Yes and with all that breeding, dogs, cat, and hogs will revert to their wild genetics within a few generations. What you are seeing is gene expression. The original genetics are still there


I don’t disagree. My own sweet kitty shows that multiple times. So do the dogs come to think of it.

Now, if you’re trying to tie this into human genetics, I might be in trouble. We have all seen liberals pooping on cars and throwing shit...which makes a case for a monkey ancestor. Those same liberals will face God one day, and answer for their sinful nature.


118 posted on 06/09/2017 5:46:47 PM PDT by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: Hugin
LOL, how do I think it is, or how old have I been told it is?

How old do YOU think it is, and at what point does your understanding of that go from knowledge to trust?

What species has been proven to have evolved from another?

119 posted on 06/09/2017 6:18:56 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Hugin
And anyway, I am asking about the mechanics of genetic mutation in the wild. Understanding of that, the frequency at which it occurs, etc, would seem to be fundamental to advancing the theory of natural selection.

Otherwise, Darwin's theories, being fundamentally unable to be observed, occupy the same realm as social science, ie. BS. I spent enough time in the humanities where "proof" takes the form of forensic argument, not science.

120 posted on 06/09/2017 6:24:17 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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