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1 posted on 05/22/2017 7:51:58 AM PDT by Salvation
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Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 05/22/2017 7:53:12 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

**The Church—Catholic from the start!**

‘and then along comes Mareee...uheee!...’

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7m59Njt_jNE


32 posted on 05/22/2017 1:54:01 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Salvation
In this and all subsequent ecumenical councils, there is a gathering of the bishops, presided over by the Pope, that considers and may even debate a matter. In the event that consensus cannot be reached, the Pope resolves the debate. Once a decision is reached, it is considered binding and a letter is issued to the whole Church.

Except that wasn't what that first council did. They ALL agreed that the Holy Spirit guided their decision concerning the Gentiles. There was no "Pope" and Peter certainly did not have the authority to resolve the debate and make a decision that binds ALL Christians. In fact, James, as the head of the Jerusalem assemblies, summarized the decision they had all reached and wrote the letter to be communicated to all the other assemblies.

Notice how the decree to the Churches is worded: It is the decision of the Holy Spirit and of us (Acts 15:28). In the end, we trust the Holy Spirit to guide the Church in matters of faith and morals. We trust that decrees and doctrines that issue forth from councils of the bishops with the Pope are inspired by and authored by the Holy Spirit Himself. There it is right in Scripture, the affirmation that when the Church speaks solemnly in this way, it is not just the bishops and the Pope speaking as men, it is the Holy Spirit speaking with them.

The Roman Catholic church presumes too much. As we can plainly see throughout their history, the Holy Spirit was NOT speaking "with" them especially in the areas of Biblical canon, indulgences, submission of all to the Pope of Rome being necessary for salvation, the doctrine of justification by faith changed, the observance of the Lord's Supper being changed to a expiatory sacrifice, etc. etc.

That council, like all the Church-wide councils that would follow, was a gathering of the bishops in the presence of Peter, who worked to unite them. At a council a decision is made and a decree binding on the whole Church is sent out—very Catholic, actually. We have kept this biblical model ever since that first council. Our Protestant brethren have departed from it because they have no pope to settle things when there is disagreement. They have split into tens of thousands of denominations and factions. When no one is pope, everyone is pope.

Hogwash! I'm surprised he even said that. The "Biblical model" is that the Bible is the source for truth and ALL are to be in submission to God's revealed word - what was handed down to ALL believers from the Apostles. When any church presumes to invent doctrine not found in sacred Scripture and make it mandatory on all Christendom to accept and receive it under threat of excommunication, they have gone beyond that which is written and forsaken God's commands that leaders must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

I rate this article of Pope's to be poor and intentionally provocative to all faithful Christians outside of Rome's doors. He should apologize.

48 posted on 05/22/2017 7:43:20 PM PDT by boatbums (Authority has a way of descending to certitude, and certitude begets hubris.)
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I have been meaning to watch one of his videos. I’ve heard him on radio sometimes and seems rather soft-spoken yet authoritative. Interesting mix.

Self-ping.


69 posted on 05/23/2017 6:40:23 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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Amazing how trhis priest cites the Council at Jerusalem, yet ignores the admonition issued therefrom against blood! Typical twisted catholiciism work for satan.


75 posted on 05/23/2017 9:29:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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A final thought: Notice how the decree to the Churches is worded: It is the decision of the Holy Spirit and of us (Acts 15:28). In the end, we trust the Holy Spirit to guide the Church in matters of faith and morals. We trust that decrees and doctrines that issue forth from councils of the bishops with the Pope are inspired by and authored by the Holy Spirit Himself. There it is right in Scripture, the affirmation that when the Church speaks solemnly in this way, it is not just the bishops and the Pope speaking as men, it is the Holy Spirit speaking with them.

Which again raises the question.

Does the Holy Spirit then guide the college of cardinals in the selection of the new pope?

It would appear from what Msgr Pope says, that yes He does.

With that in mind, then Pope Francis is the Holy Spirit's choice for the Catholic church and Catholics are duty bound to follow him lest they be found fighting the Holy Spirit.

83 posted on 05/23/2017 1:39:57 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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Peter, a Jew, enters the house of a Gentile. He has learned his lesson and as the first Pope...

No where in the Word of God is Peter ever designated 'the first Pope'.

116 posted on 05/23/2017 6:26:17 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea ((I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders))
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1Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed, 2shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness; 3nor yet as lording it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be examples to the flock. 1 Peter 5:1-3 NASB

Sure doesn't sound like Roman Catholicism does it?

117 posted on 05/23/2017 6:32:38 PM PDT by ealgeone
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We trust that decrees and doctrines that issue forth from councils of the bishops with the Pope are inspired by and authored by the Holy Spirit Himself.

Wrong: unlike Catholic councils and popes, Scripture is wholly inspired of God and has Him as its Author, and even in RC theology we read:

Inspiration signifies a special positive Divine influence and assistance by reason of which the human agent is not merely preserved from liability to error but is so guided and controlled that what he says or writes is truly the word of God, that God Himself is the principal author of the inspired utterance; but infallibility merely implies exemption from liability to error. God is not the author of a merely infallible, as He is of an inspired, utterance; the former remains a merely human document. ..not that either the pope or the Fathers of the Council are inspired as were the writers of the Bible or that any new revelation is embodied in their teaching. (Catholic Encyclopedia>Infallibility; http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm. emp. mine.

123 posted on 05/23/2017 7:10:44 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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“The Church—Catholic from the start!”
RCC: pope unmarried
Peter: Married, Matthew 8:14
RCC: pope infallible
Peter: fallible @3, Matthew 14:30, Luke 22:60, Gal 2:11
RCC: infallible
Pope: John Paul II apologizes for the crimes of the RCC against Protestants and other groups it tried to exterminate, so either JPII was fallible or the other popes were fallible either way “the church” proved her fallibility
RCC: I have existed since the beginning and can’t error
Bible: Seven churches of Revelation are six protestant and one RCC which means that Protestantism has always existed (it has) or all seven were RCC and there is no such thing as infallibility as six of the seven had serious issues faith issues.


237 posted on 05/26/2017 8:13:51 PM PDT by mrobisr ( so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow)
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