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It is the Decision of the Holy Spirit and Us – A Reflection on the Catholicity of the Early Church
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 05-17-17 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 05/22/2017 7:51:58 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: MHGinTN
The scene you quote is much later, and those are not ‘the dead in Christ’ for they are being resurrected for judgment.

Not according to verse 15: If anyone's name was not found written IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

It is obvious that some ARE found "in the book of life"; therefore they are 'dead in Christ'.


I find NO evidence of THIS occurring: ... you and I will have been snatched away long before that...


 
Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
Listen, I tell you a mystery:
We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

1 Thessalonians 4:13
Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.
 

181 posted on 05/25/2017 5:37:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

Just because we’ve told little kids for a long, long time that when Gramma died she went to Heaven to be with Jesus (Fido gets this treatment, too) doesn’t mean it can be shown from Scripture.


182 posted on 05/25/2017 5:39:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Larry, your name and my name are IN the Lamb's Book of Life because we have believed GOD's Promise to us. When that book is opened we will be in attendance at the opening, but as the Bride not the objects of judgment, for being In CHRIST we are already exonerated by The Grace of God in Christ.

If you want to start a rabbit trail away from this thread, we'll take it to private replies. Please don't be another ES.

183 posted on 05/25/2017 8:10:25 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Elsie

The Rapture of HIS EKKLESIA is not the Great White Throne of Judgment scene.


184 posted on 05/25/2017 8:19:21 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: daniel1212
Who had the authority to set the table of contents (canon) of the New Testament?

Who actually did it, and when?

185 posted on 05/25/2017 8:45:20 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Enquiring minds want to know.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Who had the authority to set the table of contents (canon) of the New Testament?
Who actually did it, and when? “

1. God
2. God
3. Eternity past.


186 posted on 05/25/2017 8:57:55 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Bwahahaha, not the answer she was looking for I’d bet!


187 posted on 05/25/2017 9:03:26 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
OK, Granted. In God's eternal "NOW".

But now, speaking of things that happen in time, historically: who and when?

188 posted on 05/25/2017 9:05:46 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Enquiring minds want to know.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Your tagline is false advertising


189 posted on 05/25/2017 9:08:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Too important to be hidden away in Private.


190 posted on 05/25/2017 11:53:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
Larry, your name and my name are IN the Lamb's Book of Life because we have believed GOD's Promise to us.

True; and they are going to be found there at the GWT.

191 posted on 05/25/2017 11:54:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
The Rapture of HIS EKKLESIA is not the Great White Throne of Judgment scene.

True; but it's right before it.

192 posted on 05/25/2017 11:55:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

No; it’s TRUE advertising.

However; some minds have been convinced already and they feel no need to INQUIRE any further.


193 posted on 05/25/2017 11:57:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

194 posted on 05/25/2017 12:01:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; kosciusko51; imardmd1; EagleOne; Elsie
Who had the authority to set the table of contents (canon) of the New Testament? Who actually did it, and when?

The issue is that of "authority" and what it means. Westminster affirms, "it belongeth to synods and councils, ministerially to determine controversies of faith," and general obedience to such is enjoined and even to secular powers one finds themselves under. Rome could enjoin submission to her rule for those under her (the EOs, for one, did not recognize her rule), but the issue is whether her claim to authority over all the church is valid, which it is not, and that she possesses (conditional) ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility, which is a unScriptural novelty.

As for when, in reality the establishment of both men and writings of God was progressively realized, and essentially due to their unique heavenly qualities and attestation. And while Rome claims the power to infallibly settle the canon, yet she actually did not infallibly/indisputably settle her canon until approx. 1400+ years after the last book was penned, and after the death of Luther, and thus scholarly debate could and did continue right into Trent.

But why not state your actual argument, which i presume is that being the instruments, discerners and stewards of holy Writ means such are the infallible interpreters of it, and thus the validity dissent is disallowed?

Or in any case, are you arguing that if we accept that Rome settled the canon then that logically means we must accept all else that she likewise officially states? If that is not your argument, than of what weight does the basic oft-parroted polemical statement, "we gave you the Bible" have? Maybe you can ask whoever gave you this argument.

195 posted on 05/25/2017 12:57:19 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Elsie

ES took lessons from you, it would appear. I’ll answer on the private coded line ...


196 posted on 05/25/2017 1:15:12 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“But now, speaking of things that happen in time, historically: who and when?”

God makes the sun rise.
The rooster crows.
Yet the rooster only announces what God has done, knowing his purpose isn’t to supplant God.

The Roman Catholic Rooster is a different creature.

God purposes in eternity past:

To create man and woman and bless their union
To restore man after the Fall by the sacrifice of the Promised Messiah
Create a Jewish nation for His own and make unconditional promises to them
To bring forth Messiah from that Jewish nation
To bring forth all Scripture through Jews
To bless every tribe and young and people and nation through Messiah
To pay the price for the sin of mankind through the death of Messiah
To inspire, record, and preserve His holy Scripture through 5,000 years
To give eternal life to all who turn to Him alone for the payment of their sin
- and this apart from merit and by His Glorious Grace

What does the Roman Catholic Rooster do in response to the rising Glory of God?

He crows that he is responsible for everything, stealing God’s glory
He crows about his chicken coup, instead of God himself
He changes the sufficiency and totality of Christ’s payment for sin into a system of earned merits and purchased indulgences
He claims he now owns all God’s unconditional promises to Abraham and his descendants
He crows of the glory of Mary, instead of the glory of Messiah and God the Father Who sent Him to redeem mankind
He claims he is the Greatest Rooster and superior to every other Rooster that God Raised up to His glory
He claims credit for God’s inspired Words in every way
He crows to roosters who are departed, instead of to the God who commands us to “come boldly into His presence.”

In short, the Roman Catholic Rooster has crowed the opposite of all God has decreed and exalted himself pridefully to steal the glory of God.

And why? It is all written in the scrolls God gave him to read. Yet he claims credit for these while missing their message.

Yet he prefers to crow about traditions of pagan roosters and create idols and wear vestments that glorify himself and his earthly chicken coop as the greatest Coup - The Original Coup.


197 posted on 05/25/2017 2:24:50 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

You’re avoiding my question.


198 posted on 05/25/2017 2:48:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Enquiring minds want to know.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

No, catholic, he even repeated your question and then addressed the source. You just aren’t getting the responses you want in order to fulfill what he exposed about Catholiciism.


199 posted on 05/25/2017 2:54:50 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Is the Gospel of Barnabas part of the Bible?


200 posted on 05/25/2017 3:00:06 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Enquiring minds want to know.)
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