Posted on 04/08/2017 2:37:12 PM PDT by grumpa
Good points.
The modern incarnation of the End Times is based on the mis-interpretations of scripture by Schofield (who was a total fraud) in the early 1800s.
quote-prevalent that Paul had to write a letter explaining to the Church that the second coming had not taken place, yet. Therefore, that we were supposed to be living in the end times always uncomfortably puzzled me. I did not know there was a school of thought that taught differently than the way I was taught.
odawg, there are at least two references of ‘about 2,000’ in the scriptures. One reference is for ‘about 2,000 swine’ in Mark. (Mark 5:13) - only place it’s specifically referenced with that number, which is interesting in and of itself.
And the other one I can think of is ‘about 2,000 cubits’ in Joshua.(Joshua 3:4)
There may be others, but those two stick out to me, as we get closer to 2,000 years from the resurrection.
The second one I believe was the distance Israel was to keep between the ark and themselves while they crossed into the Promised Land
(interestingly, the anniversary of that day was yesterday- 10th day of the 1st month- the same day the lambs were to be selected in Jerusalem for passover- a day that the Messiah of Israel entered Jerusalem, too)
And that Joshua scripture reference would be prophetic too, as Spiritual Israel hasn’t crossed over into the ‘Promised Land’ yet, either. Still dying in the wilderness before reaching the Promised Land.
We’ve had ‘about 2,000’ years since the resurrection, if historians place the resurrection in the 30 ADs....Which I think most do.
Scripture can confirm that those ‘2,000’ years is equal to ‘2’ of His days:
one day is as 1,000 years and 1,000 years is a day.. (2 Peter 3:8)
Note-
Oldest recorded age in bible is Methuselah- 969 years. He didn’t live a full ‘day’, if we count a day as 1,000 years.
He lived to a very old age to us; but He died the same ‘day’ he was born the way the Creator counts- Genesis 2:17
Christ was resurrected about 2 days ago, by that same counting.
If He returns tomorrow, or 1,000 years from day (1 day), that will be considered ‘soon’.
When was Damascus first destroyed?
“You haven’t been looking in the right places.”
It must comforting that of all the people in world history you have looked in the right place.
This generation did not mean the disciples. Here is an excellent explanation: https://www.gotquestions.org/this-generation-not-pass.html
As for preterism,it is such an old fallacy that even the Bible mentions it. This occurs in 2 Timothy 2: 14-26. This verse ends saying they are snared by the devil. Hymenaeus and Philetus first made this error and their belief was described as ‘spreading like cancer’
“As for preterism,it is such an old fallacy that even the Bible mentions it.”
In other words, when John wrote in I John 2:18 that “this is the last hour” or that when he wrote in Revelation 1:1 “...to show to His servants things which must shortly come to pass...” that he was snared by the devil? Or that if I believe what John plainly wrote that I am snared by the devil?
“That’s the truest statement that you’ve made so far.”
And I take it that you are?
And how sure are you about that ‘hour’? When I find something confusing, I often look deeper than our English. For instance, recently I noticed Acts 4:30 uses child in KJV and servant in nkjv. The Greek word was originally pais. This means a ‘boy beaten with impunity’. There is no English word that fully grasps that. So what does it say about the ‘hour’?
Okay, then the original Greek is useless to convey meaning and you are therefore free to make it say anything you choose. So why get annoyed with me for taking it for what it says? I suppose with your strategy, “Thou shalt not” could just as well mean “You shall”.
By the way, what is confusing about the “last hour”? It did not confuse Peter: I Peter 4:7 — “But the end of all things is at hand: be you therefore sober, and watch to prayer.” Those kinds of statements run throughout the entire New Testament, beginning with John the Baptist.
INTRODUCTION TO PRETERISMIn short, a preterist is the generally accepted term for those who believe that all biblical prophecy events have been completed, and were accomplished in the past — the first century to be exact. The event usually associated with the fulfillment of Bible prophecy is the Roman-Jewish War of A.D. 66-73, especially during the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.
Does your group or sect or whatever it is, periodically celebrate the explicitly eschatological ("until He comes") Lord's Supper? Just wondering.
Others might want to review an old but good article: Two Dozen (or so) Orthodox Arguments Against Hyper-Preterism
(Excerpt) Read more at ecclesia.org ...
Deny the trinity. Just so everyone's aware.
My take on the Lord’s Supper is article # C13:
https://prophecyquestions.com/2014/02/01/articles-by-charles-meek
Yes, they do run through the New Testament. The problem with your belief and discussion style is one in the same. You are straining at gnats and swallowing a camel. My prior point is that an answer is there if you are willing to look for it. In your case, this preterism that compels you is not something I or anyone else can debate with you through mind.... for the problem lies within your heart. You have to overlook so much of the Bible to believe it, that it is not logical.
Like I already pointed out, Preterism is a heresy as defined by the Bible (2 Timothy 2:17). Anyone preaching a different doctrine than the disciples is wrong (Gal. 1:8). As many have pointed out here, there are many things in Revelation that have not yet come to pass - cataclysmic, world shaking events that none would soon forget. If you did study the ‘hour’ more, you would find that it was the end of a grace period - that from then on, antichrists and deceivers would rise up. Hymenaeus, Philetus, Arius, Mohammed, Joseph Smith, Mary Eddy, Charles Russell, etc. are all examples of antichrists since that time. Also, clearly this did not happen by 70 AD, as my Native American ancestors prove: “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” Matthew 24:14 - With the exception of the tribes of the Amazon, this verse has only come to pass recently. In fact.... just my brief reading of Matthew 24, of Christ own words, is enough to throw out even the basic principles of Preterism.
I do honestly hope you get away from the cult of preterism. You have the internet - a host of knowledge and sources at your finger tips. There is really no excuse for any modern person to have missed the Truth.
“My prior point is that an answer is there if you are willing to look for it.”
I have studied the Bible most of my life. What you call preterism was something I came up with on my own, through Bible study.
“My prior point is that an answer is there if you are willing to look for it.”
Yes, I know, and I can cite chapter and verse for what I believe, and you cannot, otherwise you would, instead of analyzing my spiritual condition, which you certainly are not qualified to do.
“And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” Matthew 24:14
Plain out statement of Jesus, as is:
“You shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of Man be come.” (Mat. 10:23). It really doesn’t take long to go over the cities of Israel, not at all. And he was giving explicit instructions to the twelve.
and,
Connect that with:
“...the gospel, which you have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven...”
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