Posted on 04/03/2017 7:45:32 AM PDT by Salvation
Amen!
23“Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.
24“You shall not eat it; you shall pour it out on the ground like water.
25“You shall not eat it, so that it may be well with you and your sons after you, for you will be doing what is right in the sight of the LORD. 26“Only your holy things which you may have and your votive offerings, you shall take and go to the place which the LORD chooses.
27“And you shall offer your burnt offerings,
the flesh and the blood, on the altar of the LORD your God;
and the blood of your sacrifices shall be poured out on the altar of the LORD your God, and you shall eat the flesh. Deut 12:22-27 NASB
If Jesus were teaching it was OK to consume the blood He would have been in violation of the OT Law rendering Him a sinner.
We all agree He was not a sinner.
This really should be the beginning and end of the debate.
Additionally, Peter himself confessed that he had NEVER eaten anything unclean, which means that he recognized that the bread and wine were symbolic because if he didn’t, as an observant Jew, by sinning in consuming the blood, he would have excluded himself from the commonwealth of Israel and would have become ineligible to partake of the Passover meal.
So his confession in Acts is proof that HE recognized the symbolic nature of the bread and wine because if he thought it was literal, he would not have eaten it and did not according to his own words.
Nice catch!
So you both are saying that to eat the Body and Blood of Jesus is a sin and thus we should not follow Christ’s Words to do so.
I will have Faith in Jesus and consume His Body and Blood.
I don’t think that you understand the ability of Jesus Christ to give us the gift of His Body and Blood in the Eucharist without it being unclean or unworthy or a sin.
You either believe and accept the teachings of Jesus or you live with your personal moral beliefs that directly contradict the Words of Jesus.
Some accept some of the teachings of Jesus, so I conclude that is why there are so many man-made protest churches.
We weren’t around when Jesus walked on this earth, but Catholics have the ability for Jesus to dwell within us. What a special privilege and grace. We all need God’s graces with true humility to find that narrow door.
The RCC position is not supported by Scripture no matter how you spin it.
Serious question: If you don't eat these special, supposed flesh and blood communion wafers that only Catholic priests can make, does the Jesus dwelling within you go away? Is the belief that you've got to eat these wafers in order to be indwelled by Jesus? If you're indwelled by Jesus, why do you need Mary as an intercessor?
It's all so elaborate and confusing to Protestants. We believe you're indwelled with the Holy Spirit when you accept Jesus Christ as Savior and repent of your sins. Communion is done in remembrance of His sacrifice, not to fill up the gas tank.
GOD said that eating blood is a sin.
Jesus was using a metaphor.
So yes, or no?
Do Catholics get hungry or thirsty after consuming the eucharist?
We do accept the teachings of Jesus.
Do you call your priests *Father* or not?
Sounds like just your personal opinion.
The OT law is not my opinion. A comparison of that and RCC teaching shows the RCC to be in contradiction of the OT LAW against consuming the blood. The RCC cannot square that away no matter how much they try.
I am not sure I am qualified to answer your question. You probably need to ask Jesus as to how long he stays.
However, all food that is consumed is eventually excreted from the body. The spiritual side of whether Jesus continues dwelling within us is probably based on our sinful nature. Jesus told us to eat and drink His Body and Blood as necessary for our salvation.
We accept His graces from all the Sacraments as we need His graces to live according to God’s will. Mary is a special person as the Mother of God and we ask for her help. She has asked us for our help in prayer and to change from our sinful ways.
Perhaps this article can explain some of the perceptions of protestants.
https://www.catholic.com/tract/christ-in-the-eucharist
And again the words of Christ are insufficient for the catholic. Hence the reliance upon Mary.
It is your personal opinion that Jesus told us to do something sinful.
You do not accept the Words of Jesus, and you apply your personal biased opinion. Where is your authority to question what Jesus teaches? None.
The website is run by Tim staples. The article selectively liftes quotes out of context to try and prove the catholic position.
The RCC, not Jesus, is instructing Catholics to do something prohibited.
However, all food that is consumed is eventually excreted from the body. The spiritual side of whether Jesus continues dwelling within us is probably based on our sinful nature. Jesus told us to eat and drink His Body and Blood as necessary for our salvation.
We accept His graces from all the Sacraments as we need His graces to live according to God’s will. Mary is a special person as the Mother of God and we ask for her help. She has asked us for our help in prayer and to change from our sinful ways.
Well, that really explains why the Catholic relies upon Mary so much.
There is a lack of trust in the promises of Christ.
Fortunately, we have the NT with these reassuring passages.
In Hebrews 13:5-6 we have this:
5Make sure that your character is free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, “I WILL NEVER DESERT YOU, NOR WILL I EVER FORSAKE YOU,”
6so that we confidently say, “THE LORD IS MY HELPER, I WILL NOT BE AFRAID. WHAT WILL MAN DO TO ME?” NASB
31What then shall we say to these things?
If God is for us, who is against us?
32He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?
33Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; 34who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. 35Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36Just as it is written, “FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG; WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED.” 37But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:31-39 NASB
6Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time, 7casting all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you. 1 Peter 5:6-7 NASB
We can rest on the authority of the Word of God that:
1) Jesus is always with us and never abandons us
2) He, along with the Holy Spirit, are praying and interceding for us constantly.
3) God is not a distant uncaring Creator ready to zap you the first instance you sin....He is just.... loving....caring....forgiving.
For "everyone who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved." Romans 10:13 NASB
If you haven't trusted Jesus as your personal Savior...would you do so today?
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Jesus said the words He was speaking were SPIRITUAL.
And He Himself said that the flesh is NO HELP AT ALL.
Right there, Jesus Himself says that eating the flesh is NOT going to accomplish anything.
But Catholics, who like to brag on how faithful they are to the words of Jesus, continue to ignore THAT passage.
By "symbolic," they mean something which has meaning only in one's head. Much like a color code: in one context, Green means Ecology; in another, it means Islam; in another it means unripeness; in another, inexperience, in another, "Go" (as opposed to red "Stop"), etc.
But there is a third category to consider here, one which is not just literal (physiological) and not just symbolic (an arbitrary sign or code with only socially-agreed meaning) but which is Sacramental: an outward sign which is actually something real and true, but unseen.
A thing can be literal AND Sacramental (e.g. the waters of Baptism); it can be symbolic AND Sacramental; but "Sacramental" means it is changed, it is real and true, it is essentially different: it is an effective sign.
It's like the difference between a diagram of a seed, and a seed. The diagram has a lot of information, but if you plant it nothing comes up. If you plant a seed, you might not be able to "read" the information therein, but the seed is alive and becomes what it signifies. It may also be a symbol, but is decisively different from "mere" symbol, mere agreed-upon token.
It's the difference between Morse code and genetic code. It's the difference between information and transformation.
15So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Tend My lambs.” 16He said to him again a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Shepherd My sheep.” 17He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus said to him, “Tend My sheep. John 21:15-17 NASB
If we're to understand that the RCC believes what Jesus says is literal in John 6 about the flesh and blood, while ignoring the context of the passage, then we have to understand He had real sheep and that He put Peter in charge of them.
However, context, tells us otherwise.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.