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How many more times will it have to be explained the reasons why Luther - and MANY other church "fathers" before him - translated Romans 3:28 using the word "alone"??? Do you ever read them?

If your defense is that this was an "error" - when it clearly was not an error - then what about the ACTUAL errors in the Vulgate? Like, for example, in Genesis:

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (Genesis 3:15).

The Latin Vulgate Version changed the word HE to SHE:

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. (Douay-Rheims Version).

The Douay-Rheims has numerous errors like that, such as substituting the word "penance" when the correct word is "repentance" (metanoia is the Greek word). One of the worst errors the DR got from the Jerome's Vulgate was substituting the word "justice" when Scripture clearly said "righteousness". As in:

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed Elohim, and it was counted unto him for righteousness, (Romans 4:3).

Even as Abraham believed Elohim, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. (Galatians 3:6).

St. Paul quotes from a verse about Abraham that proves this doctrine:

And he (Abraham) believed in JEHOVAH and he counted it to him for righteousness. (Genesis 15:6).

But why does Jerome replace RIGHTEOUSNESS with JUSTICE:

Abram believed God, and it was reputed to him unto justice> (Douay-Rheims Version).

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God: and it was reputed to him unto justice. (Douay-Rheims Version).

There are quite a few more. Shall I go on or will this also be ignored?

47 posted on 03/29/2017 10:27:46 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums; Salvation

Pointing out errors in translation is commendable. Taking verses, and building a doctrine that is misleading, is not commendable.

Saying that the words, ‘righteousness’ and ‘justice’, do not mean the same thing in the context that they are being used, seems a little bit nit picky; because, the phrase ‘justified by faith’ is found only a few verses earlier (Rom. 3:28).

My complaint is the quoting of Rom. 4:3, with disregard to the circumstances of that reference (Gen. 15:6).

You folks that believe that faith is without flinching a muscle, ignore that by the time Abram was given that testimony, he had (under orders) traveled over 400 miles to the promised land (the hard way), and built two altars. He received blessing from Melchizedek when?....after a 300 mile round trip which included a hasty pursuit, a night battle, and a return home. Then, after he is promised for the third time (four, if you count “make of thee a great nation”, in Gen. 12:2), comes the testimony from God found in Gen. 15:6.


60 posted on 03/30/2017 10:40:34 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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